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Posted by: Hirkala Feb 4 2018, 03:35 PM
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Skyrim Mafia

With the signing of the White-Gold Concordat in 4E 175, the Empire's hold on Tamriel was broken. But concessions were made. To the Nords, the banning of the worship of Talos was the last straw. Not to mention the thought of those damnable Thalmor in power. Anti-Imperial sentiment and old world thought split the region of Skyrim in half, pitting neighbor against neighbor, friend against friend, even turning blood against blood. Feuds began between families, holds stopped trading, brothers became enemies.

In 4E 201, a new, even greater threat presented itself. Alduin, the World-Eater himself, re-entered the world through a rift in time. Dragons had not been seen since the Dragon War, when the Tongues had used knowledge gleaned from Alduin's former lieutenant, Paarthurnax, and had devised a way to bestow mortality upon Dragons. "JOOR ZAH FRUL" was their cry, forcing Dragons down. But Alduin would not be cowed so easily. So, the Tongues banished him. Where, they were unsure. But the people of Skyrim knew. They had merely sent him forward in time.

Alduin emerged at the Throat of the World and began his work. More and more Dragons were resurrected and the Dragon War began anew.

But, evil would not stand unchallenged. A being was born. The body of Men, with the soul of a Dovah! The Dragonborn comes!


Imperials
WinCon - Send the Stormcloaks to Shor's Hall! (Majority)
BTSC; Night Kill

General Tullius - Imperial commander in Skyrim. Believes in the Empire and will fight to maintain its hold on Skyrim. Views Ulfric Stormcloak as a traitor and a coward. Each night, may attempt to RID Kill a player. [RID KILL]

Legate Rikke - General Tullius' second-in-command. A Nord woman that believes the Empire is necessary to defend Skyrim from the Aldmeri Dominion. Each night, uses her strength and combat prowess to stop her enemies. [BLOCK]

Elisif the Fair - Jarl of Haafinger. Elisif is the widow of High King Torygg and likely candidate for High Queen, should the Stormcloak Rebellion be put down. Though she is inexperienced, she is loved and respected throughout her Hold. That power allows her to influence someone's vote each day. [VOTE REDIRECT]

Imperial Soldier - Just your average Imperial fighting man. Good with following orders.
Will seek out enemies for General Tullius. Each night, may follow a player and see who they acted on. [FOLLOW SPY]



Stormcloaks
WinCon - Send the Imperials to Shor's Hall! (No more Imperials)

Dragonborn - An individual of legend with the soul of a Dovah - a Dragon. Each night,
may use the Voice to Shout at a player. Shouts include Unrelenting Force (block), Aura Whisper (role spy), Kyne's Peace (save), and Marked for Death (kill). The Dragonborn may only use each Shout once. Also, the Dragonborn can not be the first Goodie to die. [CHOICE, FIRST KILL IMMUNE]

Lydia - Dragonborn's Housecarl. Each night, may submit a RID Guess for the Dragonborn.
If successful, gains BTSC with the Dragonborn and becomes vanilla. [RID GUESS]

Arngeir - Leader of the Greybeards and an instructor in The Way of the Voice. Each night,
he may submit a RID Guess for the Dragonborn. If successful, the Dragonborn will be allowed to reuse an expended Shout. Arngeir may then attempt to RID Guess Lydia and teach her Unrelenting Force. [RID GUESS]

Ulfric Stormcloak - Jarl of Windhelm and the leader of the Stormcloak Rebellion. Has gained the respect and admiration of his people and the fear of his enemies. Each night, may attempt to RID Kill a player. Ulfric can not die while Galmar lives. [RID KILL]

Galmar Stone-Fist - Ulfric's second-in-command. A devout follower of Ulfric and true believer in Talos. Will defend Ulfric with every breath he takes. [BODYGUARD]

Ralof - A Stormcloak lieutenant. A powerful warrior that is strong enough to put his enemy out of commission. [BLOCK]

Stormcloak Soldier - Just your average Stormcloak fighting man. Good with following orders. Each night, may watch a player and see who acted on them. [TARGET SPY]

Vignar Gray-Mane - If the Stormcloaks win the war, Ulfric has promised him Jarl of Whiterun. The Gray-Manes are an old, influential family in Skyrim's central hold. Each night, may send a one-way message to another player, through the Host. [MESSAGE]

Skald the Elder - Jarl of The Pale from a long line of jarls. Even though he may not view everyone under him as worthy, he understands the value of numbers. May attempt to save a player each night. [SAVE]

Laila Law-Giver - Jarl of The Rift. While perhaps not the wisest or most observant Nord, she does have Maven Black-Briar behind her, which is very helpful in getting things done. Each day, her vote may count x1 or x2. [VOTE MANIP]



Alduin
WinCon - Destroy Everything!!! (Survive until the end)
The World-Eater wants nothing more than to kill and subjugate Men and Mer. Each night, may choose a player to subjugate (trap), learning that player's faction OR may RID Kill a player. Each day may choose not to vote (x0) or weight his vote (x2). Alduin can also not be killed at Night before Night 3. [TRAP, RID KILL, VOTE MANIP, N1-2 NK IMMUNE]



Kills, Saves, Blocks and Traps show up in the Night post.
Alduin's RID Kill is unblockable, unsaveable.
Trapped players can still be lynched.
If Ulfric is targeted for a kill while Galmar lives, will show as a Save.
If the Dragonborn is targeted for the first kill, will show as a Save.
If Alduin is targeted for a kill on N1 or N2, will show as a Save.
OOP: Save>Kill>Trap>Block>RID Kill>Spies>Message



Akatosh: Hirkala
1. Takari
2. sparrowhawk
3. Machina
4. Hachi
5. Bob
6. Marq
7. onetruth
8. Boquise
9. Framm
10. Majes
11. .113
12. plasmid
13. Araver
14. Insaner
15. maurice


Role and BTSCs are being sent out and set up now! Please wait to post until I give word!

Posted by: Hirkala Feb 4 2018, 04:06 PM
ALL ROLES HAVE BEEN SENT!!!

Night 1 ends Feb 5th, 2018 at 11 PM BT!

You may now begin claiming Baddie!

Posted by: Insaner Feb 4 2018, 04:17 PM
I claim Baddie!

Posted by: Insaner Feb 4 2018, 04:32 PM
Can goodies claim baddies too? http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/hm.gif

Posted by: Machina Feb 4 2018, 04:36 PM
Hirkala Are there any restrictions as to what Vignar can put in his messages? (Including those related to the use of encryption)

Posted by: maurice Feb 4 2018, 04:40 PM
Hey guys, look. Yoda T decided to return since I don't know enough about skyrim to do a themed avatar.

Posted by: Hirkala Feb 4 2018, 04:41 PM
QUOTE (Insaner @ Feb 4 2018, 02:32 PM)
Can goodies claim baddies too? http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/hm.gif


If they really want to!

QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 4 2018, 02:36 PM)
Hirkala Are there any restrictions as to what Vignar can put in his messages? (Including those related to the use of encryption)


No hard encryption. Simple codes are fine, but no encryption keys or anything like that.

Posted by: .113 Feb 4 2018, 04:44 PM
Ok, I am here, but I am not used to talking at night so I am slightly confused here http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/smile.gif

Also, looking forward to playing here, so Hi everyone

Posted by: Insaner Feb 4 2018, 04:47 PM
QUOTE (.113 @ Feb 4 2018, 08:44 PM)
Ok, I am here, but I am not used to talking at night so I am slightly confused here http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/smile.gif

Also, looking forward to playing here, so Hi everyone

Lol it feels so weird having the game start at night after I played a few games on MU.

Posted by: .113 Feb 4 2018, 04:48 PM
QUOTE (Insaner @ Feb 4 2018, 09:32 PM)
Can goodies claim baddies too? http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/hm.gif


Nope, I tried and post didn't show up so...

Posted by: .113 Feb 4 2018, 04:49 PM
QUOTE (Insaner @ Feb 4 2018, 09:47 PM)
QUOTE (.113 @ Feb 4 2018, 08:44 PM)
Ok, I am here, but I am not used to talking at night so I am slightly confused here http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/smile.gif

Also, looking forward to playing here, so Hi everyone

Lol it feels so weird having the game start at night after I played a few games on MU.


Glad I'm not the only one then.

Also, this game is full of powers. I know a few by now, but not all, so it's bound to get confusing, not to mention that they are also named after skyrim people instead of just the roles.

I'll just do what I usually do though


Posted by: maurice Feb 4 2018, 04:53 PM
QUOTE (.113 @ Feb 4 2018, 02:48 PM)
QUOTE (Insaner @ Feb 4 2018, 09:32 PM)
Can goodies claim baddies too? http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/hm.gif


Nope, I tried and post didn't show up so...


*Placing . 113 solidly in dark blue on my spreadsheet.

Thanks http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/thumbsup.gif

Posted by: .113 Feb 4 2018, 04:54 PM
QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 4 2018, 09:53 PM)
QUOTE (.113 @ Feb 4 2018, 02:48 PM)
QUOTE (Insaner @ Feb 4 2018, 09:32 PM)
Can goodies claim baddies too? http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/hm.gif


Nope, I tried and post didn't show up so...


*Placing . 113 solidly in dark blue on my spreadsheet.

Thanks http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/thumbsup.gif


You're welcome! I try my best

Posted by: Framm Feb 4 2018, 05:09 PM
If I hear of any of the thousand skyrim memes out there... http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/dry.gif

My vote will be placed on your first thing.

Posted by: Machina Feb 4 2018, 05:11 PM
QUOTE (Hirkala @ Feb 4 2018, 03:41 PM)
QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 4 2018, 02:36 PM)
Hirkala Are there any restrictions as to what Vignar can put in his messages? (Including those related to the use of encryption)


No hard encryption. Simple codes are fine, but no encryption keys or anything like that.


Where exactly is the line between hard and soft encryption? Sorry if it's common knowledge here, but I forgot to ask after Amber III ended.
Anything that can't reasonably be decoded by a human being?
Or anything that converts text to and from something like this:
051403182516200504

(The word "ENCRYPTED" converted to A=01 - Z=26
Obviously an actual code of this nature would have the corresponding numbers randomized)



Either way, Vignar could benefit from passing a code around, assuming he manages to give it to 2 goodies. (Although using it himself might get him RID killed)
Another possibility that comes to mind is that he could hand out a unique code to each person he messages, and ask them to claim an RID using it. If the code is strong enough, goodies have no reason to not oblige him that I can think of, and baddies can't even see what roles have already been claimed, making them more likely to get caught in the act.

Thoughts on random-blocking?
Hirkala, For the goodie and baddie block, is it announced which is which in the NP? Or does it just say "X was blocked?"
If we can tell between the goodie and baddie block, then that obviously changes things and adds some pseudo-spy potential, I think.

I don't see any reason for the Dragonborn to hold onto their role spy, so it should probably just be used right away.

As for what the other roles can do, I'm not seeing much that sticks out as easy to overlook. ...Probably because I'm overlooking it myself.

Posted by: maurice Feb 4 2018, 05:12 PM
QUOTE (Framm @ Feb 4 2018, 03:09 PM)
If I hear of any of the thousand skyrim memes out there... http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/dry.gif

My vote will be placed on your first thing.


Ummm... I don't know how I feel about you voting on my first thing (if that means what I assume it means). Luckily I don't know enough about Skyrim to risk that. We good. http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/thumbsup.gif

Posted by: Hirkala Feb 4 2018, 05:15 PM
QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 4 2018, 03:11 PM)
QUOTE (Hirkala @ Feb 4 2018, 03:41 PM)
QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 4 2018, 02:36 PM)
Hirkala Are there any restrictions as to what Vignar can put in his messages? (Including those related to the use of encryption)


No hard encryption. Simple codes are fine, but no encryption keys or anything like that.


Where exactly is the line between hard and soft encryption? Sorry if it's common knowledge here, but I forgot to ask after Amber III ended.
Anything that can't reasonably be decoded by a human being?
Or anything that converts text to and from something like this:
051403182516200504

(The word "ENCRYPTED" converted to A=01 - Z=26
Obviously an actual code of this nature would have the corresponding numbers randomized)



Either way, Vignar could benefit from passing a code around, assuming he manages to give it to 2 goodies. (Although using it himself might get him RID killed)
Another possibility that comes to mind is that he could hand out a unique code to each person he messages, and ask them to claim an RID using it. If the code is strong enough, goodies have no reason to not oblige him that I can think of, and baddies can't even see what roles have already been claimed, making them more likely to get caught in the act.

Thoughts on random-blocking?
Hirkala, For the goodie and baddie block, is it announced which is which in the NP? Or does it just say "X was blocked?"
If we can tell between the goodie and baddie block, then that obviously changes things and adds some pseudo-spy potential, I think.

I don't see any reason for the Dragonborn to hold onto their role spy, so it should probably just be used right away.

As for what the other roles can do, I'm not seeing much that sticks out as easy to overlook. ...Probably because I'm overlooking it myself.


If it requires using anything other than going back to the message from Vignar to translate a message, it's not allowed.

The Blocks WILL show which role blocked which player.

Posted by: Insaner Feb 4 2018, 05:25 PM
Hirkala what about things like smiley codes or "use the alphabetical number of the first letter of the third word in your last sentence to indicate the number of your role in the roster?" This is how messages have been commonly used from what I've seen.

Machina I think both goodie block and Dragonborn should abstain unless they pick up a decent read during the night. The first has a much higher chance of screwing up other goodies and the second has limited actions.

Posted by: .113 Feb 4 2018, 05:25 PM
QUOTE (Framm @ Feb 4 2018, 10:09 PM)
If I hear of any of the thousand skyrim memes out there... http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/dry.gif

My vote will be placed on your first thing.


I used to play mafia, but then..

Posted by: .113 Feb 4 2018, 05:27 PM
QUOTE (.113 @ Feb 4 2018, 10:25 PM)
QUOTE (Framm @ Feb 4 2018, 10:09 PM)
If I hear of any of the thousand skyrim memes out there... http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/dry.gif

My vote will be placed on your first thing.


I used to play mafia, but then..


Any resemblance to anything like a skyrim meme here is pure coincidence.

Posted by: Insaner Feb 4 2018, 05:29 PM
QUOTE (.113 @ Feb 4 2018, 09:27 PM)
QUOTE (.113 @ Feb 4 2018, 10:25 PM)
QUOTE (Framm @ Feb 4 2018, 10:09 PM)
If I hear of any of the thousand skyrim memes out there... http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/dry.gif

My vote will be placed on your first thing.


I used to play mafia, but then..


Any resemblance to anything like a skyrim meme here is pure coincidence.

I was gonna post a Skyrim meme immediately after I saw Framm's message but I couldn't find any good ones http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/sad.gif

Posted by: Hirkala Feb 4 2018, 05:30 PM
QUOTE (Insaner @ Feb 4 2018, 03:25 PM)
Hirkala what about things like smiley codes or "use the alphabetical number of the first letter of the third word in your last sentence to indicate the number of your role in the roster?" This is how messages have been commonly used from what I've seen.


Those are totally fine.

Posted by: .113 Feb 4 2018, 05:38 PM
*Framm furiously thinking "don't yell at the new guy, don't yell at the new guy." *

Posted by: Insaner Feb 4 2018, 05:39 PM
QUOTE (.113 @ Feb 4 2018, 09:38 PM)
*Framm furiously thinking "don't yell at the new guy, don't yell at the new guy." *

http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/XD.gif

You seem like a nice dude http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/XD.gif Too bad I'll have to kill you at some point http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/sad.gif

Posted by: Insaner Feb 4 2018, 05:40 PM
I'll try and save you for last though.

Posted by: Insaner Feb 4 2018, 05:40 PM
But no promises.

Posted by: Machina Feb 4 2018, 05:46 PM
QUOTE (Insaner @ Feb 4 2018, 04:25 PM)
Hirkala what about things like smiley codes or "use the alphabetical number of the first letter of the third word in your last sentence to indicate the number of your role in the roster?" This is how messages have been commonly used from what I've seen.

Machina I think both goodie block and Dragonborn should abstain unless they pick up a decent read during the night. The first has a much higher chance of screwing up other goodies and the second has limited actions.


I can see your point for the block, but I think it would be better for the dragonborn to gain information earlier rather than later, as the spy doesn't really gain any value later in the game if held onto IMO. And if useful information is gained, dying before it can be put to use would be bad.
Even if the target dies later, that's still a role they know for sure is in the graveyard.


Posted by: .113 Feb 4 2018, 05:49 PM
QUOTE (Insaner @ Feb 4 2018, 10:39 PM)
QUOTE (.113 @ Feb 4 2018, 09:38 PM)
*Framm furiously thinking "don't yell at the new guy, don't yell at the new guy." *

http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/XD.gif

You seem like a nice dude http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/XD.gif Too bad I'll have to kill you at some point http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/sad.gif


I have a bad habit of either being the d1 lynch target (though never get lynched d1) or the n1 (in this case n2 i guess) nightkill.

You can kill me some other game?

Posted by: araver Feb 4 2018, 05:53 PM
Hmm, I thought we gathered here to share meme's http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/shrug.gif that's what themes Mafias are famous for ...

Now I feel like I can't sleep anymore. Must be enemies nearby.

Posted by: Insaner Feb 4 2018, 05:55 PM
QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 4 2018, 09:46 PM)
QUOTE (Insaner @ Feb 4 2018, 04:25 PM)
Hirkala what about things like smiley codes or "use the alphabetical number of the first letter of the third word in your last sentence to indicate the number of your role in the roster?" This is how messages have been commonly used from what I've seen.

Machina I think both goodie block and Dragonborn should abstain unless they pick up a decent read during the night. The first has a much higher chance of screwing up other goodies and the second has limited actions.


I can see your point for the block, but I think it would be better for the dragonborn to gain information earlier rather than later, as the spy doesn't really gain any value later in the game if held onto IMO. And if useful information is gained, dying before it can be put to use would be bad.
Even if the target dies later, that's still a role they know for sure is in the graveyard.

Meh, the N2 spy has the potential to be much more informative than a random spy on N1. But it can be used on N1 just to cycle through it.

QUOTE (.113 @ Feb 4 2018, 09:49 PM)
QUOTE (Insaner @ Feb 4 2018, 10:39 PM)
QUOTE (.113 @ Feb 4 2018, 09:38 PM)
*Framm furiously thinking "don't yell at the new guy, don't yell at the new guy." *

http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/XD.gif

You seem like a nice dude http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/XD.gif Too bad I'll have to kill you at some point http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/sad.gif


I have a bad habit of either being the d1 lynch target (though never get lynched d1) or the n1 (in this case n2 i guess) nightkill.

You can kill me some other game?

There is no guarantee that I will have any killing powers though http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/sad.gif

Posted by: Framm Feb 4 2018, 05:58 PM
QUOTE (.113 @ Feb 4 2018, 04:38 PM)
*Framm furiously thinking "don't yell at the new guy, don't yell at the new guy." *


You will find i am quite nice. http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/devil.gif

Posted by: plasmid Feb 4 2018, 06:31 PM
QUOTE (Framm @ Feb 4 2018, 02:09 PM)
If I hear of any of the thousand skyrim memes out there... http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/dry.gif

My vote will be placed on your first thing.

Does that mean I have to change my avatar back?

Posted by: Takari Feb 4 2018, 07:03 PM
QUOTE (Framm @ Feb 4 2018, 03:09 PM)
If I hear of any of the thousand skyrim memes out there... http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/dry.gif

My vote will be placed on your first thing.

Awe.... I'll keep them to myself then....

Posted by: maurice Feb 4 2018, 07:07 PM
QUOTE (Takari @ Feb 4 2018, 05:03 PM)
QUOTE (Framm @ Feb 4 2018, 03:09 PM)
If I hear of any of the thousand skyrim memes out there... http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/dry.gif

My vote will be placed on your first thing.

Awe.... I'll keep them to myself then....

Put them in our btsc please. Oh wait that won't work Fram is in there also

Posted by: Takari Feb 4 2018, 10:01 PM
QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 4 2018, 05:07 PM)
QUOTE (Takari @ Feb 4 2018, 05:03 PM)
QUOTE (Framm @ Feb 4 2018, 03:09 PM)
If I hear of any of the thousand skyrim memes out there... http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/dry.gif

My vote will be placed on your first thing.

Awe.... I'll keep them to myself then....

Put them in our btsc please. Oh wait that won't work Fram is in there also

But but but... I don't have btsc...

Posted by: sparrowhawk Feb 4 2018, 10:09 PM
Lots of tells tonight. I have my spreadsheet filled in already. http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/tmi.gif

Posted by: maurice Feb 4 2018, 10:11 PM
QUOTE (Takari @ Feb 4 2018, 08:01 PM)
QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 4 2018, 05:07 PM)
QUOTE (Takari @ Feb 4 2018, 05:03 PM)
QUOTE (Framm @ Feb 4 2018, 03:09 PM)
If I hear of any of the thousand skyrim memes out there... http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/dry.gif

My vote will be placed on your first thing.

Awe.... I'll keep them to myself then....

Put them in our btsc please. Oh wait that won't work Fram is in there also

But but but... I don't have btsc...


Spoiler for Butt butt butt?




Posted by: Boquise Feb 5 2018, 03:49 AM
This is a post tbh

Posted by: .113 Feb 5 2018, 04:05 AM
QUOTE (Boquise @ Feb 5 2018, 08:49 AM)
This is a post tbh


openwolfing :/

Posted by: Bob Sacamano Feb 5 2018, 05:36 AM
There are 2 types of people, those who can extrapolate from incomplete data...

Posted by: .113 Feb 5 2018, 10:10 AM
QUOTE (Bob Sacamano @ Feb 5 2018, 10:36 AM)
There are 2 types of people, those who can extrapolate from incomplete data...


... and town

Posted by: Boquise Feb 5 2018, 11:49 AM
QUOTE (.113 @ Feb 5 2018, 09:05 AM)
QUOTE (Boquise @ Feb 5 2018, 08:49 AM)
This is a post tbh


openwolfing :/

Outed baddie best role

Posted by: Insaner Feb 5 2018, 02:24 PM
QUOTE (Bob Sacamano @ Feb 5 2018, 09:36 AM)
There are 2 types of people, those who can extrapolate from incomplete data...

... and the rest of you.

Posted by: Hachi Feb 5 2018, 07:34 PM
zzz

Hachi currently working and/or sleeping

Be back soonzzz...

Posted by: Hirkala Feb 5 2018, 11:21 PM
My apologies, everyone. I had mentioned that I intended to give Alduin N1&2 Kill Immunity, but forgot to add it to his role. So, Alduin can not be killed on nights 1 & 2. However, he can still be lynched on days 1 & 2. Apologies for forgetting that. Carry on.

Posted by: Hirkala Feb 6 2018, 12:36 AM
N1: A Dour Night


A small band in Solitude gathered around a large table. A massive piece of parchment lay unfurled, it's landscape dotted with cities and forts. Flags of red and blue showed the loyalties of each location.
“This war has gone on too long,” General Tullius said, in a resonant baritone. “It is time the Empire ends it, once and for all. You have your orders. Let the final battle for Skyrim commence!” The group disbanded quickly, setting about following the orders they were given.


When Ralof reached his target, he found a strange sight. A group of Stormcloaks had gathered around him, facing outward, as if protecting him.
“What brings you all here, soldier?” he asked.
“We have been given orders to protect maurice from the agents of the Dark Brotherhood,” was the response.
“Then, I, too, shall join you! And I will also make sure maurice stays put tonight. After all, if he can't leave, he can't get into trouble!”

The assassin skulking in the shadows narrowed their eyes at the sight of so many troops near their target. Astrid was not going to be happy that the contract wouldn't be fulfilled tonight.


Legate Rikke, always the loyal soldier, sent her troops out from Solitude, with orders to keep araver busy for the evening.
“Don't kill him,” she said. “Just prevent him from going anywhere. We may be able to use him or gain information from him at some point.”
The Imperial troops captured araver, quickly, holding him for the night. Though they tried to coerce him into giving up his friends and telling them his plans or even who he was, araver stayed strong and silent until the sun broke over the horizon, bringing a new day to Skyrim.


Actions:
Rikke blocked araver
Ralof blocked maurice
maurice was saved from the NK


Akatosh: Hirkala
1. Takari
2. sparrowhawk
3. Machina
4. Hachi
5. Bob
6. Marq
7. onetruth
8. Boquise
9. Framm
10. Majes
11. .113
12. plasmid
13. Araver
14. Insaner
15. maurice


Day 1 ends at 11 PM BT

Posted by: maurice Feb 6 2018, 12:49 AM
http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/ohmy.gif

I made enemies.

http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/hm.gif

But I also made friends http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/biggrin.gif

Now, who would attempt such shenanigans?

I have some thoughts, but I don't know that we've heard from Majeswandar this game so let's vote Majes

Posted by: Hachi Feb 6 2018, 01:08 AM
http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/surprise.gif
Woah what a night. I definitely wasn't expecting this much to go on N1. Good to see we avoid a kill at least.

Posted by: plasmid Feb 6 2018, 01:14 AM
Akatosh: Hirkala
1. Takari
2. sparrowhawk
3. Machina
4. Hachi
5. Bob
6. Marq
7. onetruth
8. Boquise
9. Framm
10. Majes
11. .113
12. plasmid - voting for sparrowhawk
13. Araver
14. Insaner
15. maurice - voting for Majes

What do you make of events so far, SH?

Posted by: maurice Feb 6 2018, 01:15 AM
QUOTE (Hachi @ Feb 5 2018, 11:08 PM)
http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/surprise.gif
Woah what a night. I definitely wasn't expecting this much to go on N1. Good to see we avoid a kill at least.


I know imagine how I feel. I was all http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/cheer.gif

Now, let's get them baddies.

Posted by: araver Feb 6 2018, 02:26 AM
Hmm. Interesting developments.

Please add my vote for pressure, same question as plasmid.

*araver votes sparrowhawk.

Posted by: Insaner Feb 6 2018, 02:51 AM
Good to know we have 2 people cleared from being baddies.

I unclaim baddie. That makes 3 of us.

vote .113

Tell me you are not a baddie.

Posted by: sparrowhawk Feb 6 2018, 03:06 AM
QUOTE (plasmid @ Feb 5 2018, 09:14 PM)
What do you make of events so far, SH?

It seems like there should have been an Alduin trap last night to power his RID kill. With no trap and N1/N2 immunity, I'd say mo makes a pretty good Alduin candidate. I'm willing to start my investigation there. I can't see Alduin withholding his ability just to shade a block target.

Akatosh: Hirkala
1. Takari
2. sparrowhawk - voting for maurice
3. Machina
4. Hachi
5. Bob
6. Marq
7. onetruth
8. Boquise
9. Framm
10. Majes
11. .113
12. plasmid - voting for sparrowhawk
13. Araver - voting for sparrowhawk
14. Insaner - voting for .113
15. maurice - voting for Majes


Posted by: maurice Feb 6 2018, 03:24 AM
I'll say that if I were alduin, I wouldn't see the benefit of a N1 trap. Since there's no need to self trap N1 or N2 you probably clear someone as Indy in some minds. Also, gaining a faction of the trapped player really doesn't give significant help in learning a RID. certainly not much more than just paying attention to interactions in the game thread. Then there's the "frame a blocked player" motive.

No, if I were alduin I would have taken a chance on a RID kill N1. If alduin trapped a player he'd have a 5/7 chance of picking a goodie, then a 1/10 chance N2 and a 2/7 chance of getting a baddie then a 1/4 chance N2. That's 1/14 + 1/14 chance of getting a kill N2. {1/7}. If they kill blindly N1 then the same target N2 if they miss then it's 1/14 + 13/14 * 1/13 chance of getting a kill by N2. Also 1/7...but that would include the opportunity to get 2 kills

So... Im going to guess alduin missed in a RID kill and wasn't blocked. Unless araver is alduin.

Posted by: maurice Feb 6 2018, 03:36 AM
Or... Inactive

Posted by: Insaner Feb 6 2018, 03:40 AM
I remember you having a similar defence as a baddie maurice

Spoiler for http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/whistle.gif

Posted by: Insaner Feb 6 2018, 03:48 AM
sparrowhawk is it true what they say about baddies trending towards hunting indies all the time?

You said you have picked up some tells during the night. Could you please tell me what they were, even if it's weak?

Posted by: Insaner Feb 6 2018, 03:49 AM
Hirkala

What is Alduin's wincon? Last standing or alive at the end?

Posted by: Hachi Feb 6 2018, 03:56 AM
QUOTE (Insaner @ Feb 6 2018, 02:49 AM)
Hirkala

What is Alduin's wincon? Last standing or alive at the end?


It says survive so I'd assume they don't necessarily have to work against us as town.

Posted by: Hachi Feb 6 2018, 03:57 AM
Of course they can still betray us so it's open to interpretation.

Posted by: Insaner Feb 6 2018, 04:07 AM
QUOTE (Hachi @ Feb 6 2018, 07:56 AM)
QUOTE (Insaner @ Feb 6 2018, 02:49 AM)
Hirkala

What is Alduin's wincon? Last standing or alive at the end?


It says survive so I'd assume they don't necessarily have to work against us as town.

It also says "KILL EVERYTHING". That's why I'm asking.

Posted by: Machina Feb 6 2018, 04:09 AM
QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 02:24 AM)
I'll say that if I were alduin, I wouldn't see the benefit of a N1 trap.  Since there's no need to self trap N1 or N2 you probably clear someone as Indy in some minds.  Also, gaining a faction of the trapped player really doesn't give significant help in learning a RID.  certainly not much more than just paying attention to interactions in the game thread.  Then there's the "frame a blocked player" motive.

No, if I were alduin I would have taken a chance on a RID kill N1. If alduin trapped a player he'd have a 5/7 chance of picking a goodie, then a 1/10 chance N2 and a 2/7 chance of getting a baddie then a 1/4 chance N2. That's 1/14 + 1/14 chance of getting a kill N2. {1/7}.  If they kill blindly N1 then the same target N2 if they miss then it's 1/14 + 13/14 * 1/13  chance of getting a kill by N2.  Also 1/7...but that would include the opportunity to get 2 kills

So... Im going to guess alduin missed in a RID kill and wasn't blocked.  Unless araver is alduin.


Assuming Alduin's N1/N2 immunity shows up as a save, you were either:
A, saved.
B, survived due to being the Dragonborn
C, survived due to being Ulfric
D, survived due to being Alduin
E, survived due to receiving Dragonborn's heal shout. (Which I highly doubt would be thrown around N1)

So if we count each of the first 4 as an equal 1/14 chance (which isn't 100% accurate) then you have a 25% chance of being Alduin, ignoring D and the lack of a trap, which due to all the possible WIFoM they involve, I'm going to ignore as variables for now.

But a 1/4 chance of you being Alduin is higher than the base 1/15 by quite a lot, so do you have anything further to say to make me more comfortable with those odds?

After tunneling you in the last 3 games, 2 of which I ended up winning with you in, (even if I was ultimately right in one of those two that we won, and a baddie in the one I didn't win) I'm not going to start calling for your head to roll just yet.
So convince me you're not Alduin.

Although at the same time, this early in the game, I'm honestly not all that worried about Alduin.
If we've got absolutely nothing else to go on, I might support a Maurice lynch, but...
I think we should be focusing on the baddies. Alduin needs RIDs to get any work done, which I highly doubt he has at the moment. And since Maurice was saved, odds are he isn't a baddie, at the very least.

But since I'm not 100% sold on Alduin attempting an RID kill over a trap, (as knowing 1 RID that 1 out of 14 players is NOT is less useful than knowing if someone is a goodie or baddie IMO) I want to hear something out of you, araver
So have a pressure vote.

Vote: Araver

Posted by: Machina Feb 6 2018, 04:12 AM
Hirkala Does the Dragonborn's shout appear differently in the NP than all the other saves?

If it does, we can completely ignore that possibility.

Posted by: Insaner Feb 6 2018, 04:18 AM
Bodyguard means you die in place of your target.

Posted by: Insaner Feb 6 2018, 04:20 AM
Machina having thoughts on araver being a self block?

Posted by: Machina Feb 6 2018, 04:31 AM
QUOTE (Insaner @ Feb 6 2018, 03:18 AM)
Bodyguard means you die in place of your target.


...Oh. I'm dumb.

In that case, it's a 1/3 chance(?)
Though that means Maurice still nearly has a 2/3 chance of being goodie, ignoring the possibility of a random N1 baddie self-kill. So I still think we should leave him be, unless we don't see Alduin flip for a while.

QUOTE (Insaner @ Feb 6 2018, 03:20 AM)
Machina having thoughts on araver being a self block?


All the more reason to hear something out of him TBH.
Though, why exactly are the baddies blocking indiscriminately with public blocks and a lookout spy? Trading one-for-one by outing to kill the baddie block would almost be worth it if they catch them in the act.

I need to sleep now though, and pay more attention to this game tomorrow. I've been slacking.

Posted by: Insaner Feb 6 2018, 04:41 AM
QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 6 2018, 08:31 AM)

So I still think we should leave him be, unless we don't see Alduin flip for a while.

Agreed

QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 6 2018, 08:31 AM)

All the more reason to hear something out of him TBH.
Though, why exactly are the baddies blocking indiscriminately with public blocks and a lookout spy? Trading one-for-one by outing to kill the baddie block would almost be worth it if they catch them in the act.

I don't understand what your point is here. Lookout spy is as likely to catch a baddie self block as he is to catch a block against anyone else.

Posted by: Insaner Feb 6 2018, 04:42 AM
Hirkala will a self block be shown in the NP?

Posted by: sparrowhawk Feb 6 2018, 05:21 AM
QUOTE (Insaner @ Feb 5 2018, 11:48 PM)
sparrowhawk is it true what they say about baddies trending towards hunting indies all the time?

You said you have picked up some tells during the night. Could you please tell me what they were, even if it's weak?

I think it's a common tactic for baddies to try to deflect attention by indy-hunting. If they look like they are actively participating, then they are less likely to be questioned.

That being said, I wanted to get my thoughts on Alduin out early to shake the tree and see what falls out. If we agree that mo is likely Alduin, we can lynch him failing a better target arising, but I agree with Machina that Alduin really isn't that much of a threat yet. An exposed Alduin is even less of one since a lynch or Ulfric or Dragonborn kill can take him out whenever he becomes a threat (or even the baddies if he gets in their way).

My main interest in voting mo right now is to see what others think of my theory and try to come to a consensus. In the end I expect that we'll probably go after someone else, since about the only faction mo can't be is baddie.

Also:
QUOTE (OP)
If Ulfric is targeted for a kill while Galmar lives, will show as a Save.

Normally, you're right that bodyguard means die instead, but Hirkala means kill immune while the bodyguard lives in this case. In a lot of the earliest Den mafia games this was a common pairing (though a direct kill with bodyguard protecting, rather than an RID kill).

P.S. My N1 post was just s***-posting. The main tell I picked up on:
Spoiler for http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/secret.gif

Posted by: Insaner Feb 6 2018, 05:26 AM
Ok Sparrowhawk is sparrowhawking

So BG provides night immunity to Ulfric in ADDITION to being able to bodyguard ANY target? That's good to know. I think it's time I go and read the OP properly http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/duh.gif

Or not. I guess it's just immunity for Ulfric then.

Posted by: .113 Feb 6 2018, 06:37 AM
Ok, I misjudged the amount of activity and that there would actually be actions n1.

I need to catch up a bit.

Posted by: .113 Feb 6 2018, 06:39 AM
QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 05:49 AM)
http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/ohmy.gif

I made enemies. 

http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/hm.gif

But I also made friends  http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/biggrin.gif

Now, who would attempt such shenanigans?

I have some thoughts, but I don't know that we've heard from Majeswandar this game so let's vote Majes


I think we can conclude, for now, that you and aravar. I think i spelled it wrong, but anyways that you both are town. For now.

Interesting at least.

Posted by: .113 Feb 6 2018, 06:41 AM
QUOTE (Insaner @ Feb 6 2018, 07:51 AM)
Good to know we have 2 people cleared from being baddies.

I unclaim baddie. That makes 3 of us.

vote .113

Tell me you are not a baddie.


I'm goodie

Posted by: .113 Feb 6 2018, 06:50 AM
[QUOTE=sparrowhawk,Feb 6 2018, 08:06 AM][QUOTE=plasmid,Feb 5 2018, 09:14 PM]What do you make of events so far, SH?[/QUOTE]
It seems like there should have been an Alduin trap last night to power his RID kill. With no trap and N1/N2 immunity, I'd say mo makes a pretty good Alduin candidate. I'm willing to start my investigation there. I can't see Alduin withholding his ability just to shade a block target.

Akatosh: Hirkala
1. Takari
2. sparrowhawk - voting for maurice
3. Machina
4. Hachi
5. Bob
6. Marq
7. onetruth
8. Boquise
9. Framm
10. Majes
11. .113 - voting for Majes[/QUOTE]
12. plasmid - voting for sparrowhawk
13. Araver - voting for sparrowhawk
14. Insaner - voting for .113
15. maurice - voting for Majes[/QUOTE]

Posted by: .113 Feb 6 2018, 06:52 AM
ok semi fail but the colors right and my vote is there. I believe we will gain info from pushing or lynching a few of the inactives, as it is it's way to easy to slip under the radar.

Also, the good news about being new is I guess that I will most likely end game, since I have no prior knowledge of you.. Which is also the bad news I guess.


Posted by: Insaner Feb 6 2018, 06:57 AM
QUOTE (.113 @ Feb 6 2018, 10:41 AM)
QUOTE (Insaner @ Feb 6 2018, 07:51 AM)
Good to know we have 2 people cleared from being baddies.

I unclaim baddie. That makes 3 of us.

vote .113

Tell me you are not a baddie.


I'm goodie

I don't believe you.

Also:

QUOTE (.113 @ Feb 6 2018, 10:52 AM)

Also, the good news about being new is I guess that I will most likely end game, since I have no prior knowledge of you.. Which is also the bad news I guess.

What is that supposed to mean?

Posted by: .113 Feb 6 2018, 07:19 AM
Hmm quotes dont work on phone apparently, or i just missed it.
To insaner, then Why did you ask? Did you expect me to say im a baddie?

As for the rest, i mean that im likely left alive because im not as used as the rest of you to play with each other. Im more likely to have trouble reading you than people who have played many games with you.


Posted by: Insaner Feb 6 2018, 07:29 AM
QUOTE (.113 @ Feb 6 2018, 11:19 AM)
Hmm quotes dont work on phone apparently, or i just missed it.
To insaner, then Why did you ask? Did you expect me to say im a baddie?

As for the rest, i mean that im likely left alive because im not as used as the rest of you to play with each other. Im more likely to have trouble reading you than people who have played many games with you.

I expected to get a bit more extensive response from a goodie. Like what you said just now for example. That would make me feel a bit better about you.

Why did you feel the need to explain why you were left alive? Are you used to being a frequent N1 target where you came from?

Posted by: Framm Feb 6 2018, 07:40 AM
Fulfilling my promise, my vote goes on 113 please.

I need to be awake and study my gut before I give actual thoughts.

Posted by: Bob Sacamano Feb 6 2018, 07:52 AM
Akatosh: Hirkala
1. Takari
2. sparrowhawk - voting for maurice
3. Machina
4. Hachi
5. Bob - voting for Boq
6. Marq
7. onetruth
8. Boquise
9. Framm
10. Majes
11. .113 - voting for Majes[/QUOTE]
12. plasmid - voting for sparrowhawk
13. Araver - voting for sparrowhawk
14. Insaner - voting for .113
15. maurice - voting for Majes

Vote Boq for old times sake p.s we must lynch someone.

Posted by: Bob Sacamano Feb 6 2018, 07:53 AM
Akatosh: Hirkala
1. Takari
2. sparrowhawk - voting for maurice
3. Machina
4. Hachi
5. Bob - voting for Boq
6. Marq
7. onetruth
8. Boquise
9. Framm - voting for .113
10. Majes
11. .113 - voting for Majes
12. plasmid - voting for sparrowhawk
13. Araver - voting for sparrowhawk
14. Insaner - voting for .113
15. maurice - voting for Majes

fixing votes

Posted by: Insaner Feb 6 2018, 08:25 AM
Machina voted for araver

Posted by: onetruth Feb 6 2018, 10:21 AM
Akatosh: Hirkala
1. Takari
2. sparrowhawk - voting for maurice
3. Machina - voting for Araver
4. Hachi
5. Bob - voting for Boq
6. Marq
7. onetruth - voting for sparrowhawk
8. Boquise
9. Framm - voting for .113
10. Majes
11. .113 - voting for Majes
12. plasmid - voting for sparrowhawk
13. Araver - voting for sparrowhawk
14. Insaner - voting for .113
15. maurice - voting for Majes

Random vote for pressure.

Posted by: Boquise Feb 6 2018, 10:54 AM
I don't like SH's thing at mo, since there are so many possibilities to why he survived and trying to "figure it out" would narrow down goodies.
vote sparrowhawk

Posted by: Boquise Feb 6 2018, 10:55 AM
[QUOTE=Bob Sacamano,Feb 6 2018, 12:52 PM]Akatosh: Hirkala
1. Takari
2. sparrowhawk - voting for maurice
3. Machina
4. Hachi
5. Bob - voting for Boq
6. Marq
7. onetruth
8. Boquise
9. Framm
10. Majes
11. .113 - voting for Majes[/QUOTE]
12. plasmid - voting for sparrowhawk
13. Araver - voting for sparrowhawk
14. Insaner - voting for .113
15. maurice - voting for Majes

Vote Boq for old times sake p.s we must lynch someone.[/QUOTE]
And that won't be me http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/cool.gif
Or is there something specific you're thinking of?

Posted by: Majeswandar Feb 6 2018, 12:04 PM
Akatosh: Hirkala
1. Takari
2. sparrowhawk - voting for maurice
3. Machina
4. Hachi
5. Bob - voting for Boq
6. Marq
7. onetruth
8. Boquise
9. Framm
10. Majes- voting for mo
11. .113 - voting for Majes
12. plasmid - voting for sparrowhawk
13. Araver - voting for sparrowhawk
14. Insaner - voting for .113
15. maurice - voting for Majes

Weird that both mo and 113 is going after me, could you both be imperial soldiers?

Posted by: Insaner Feb 6 2018, 12:05 PM
QUOTE (Majeswandar @ Feb 6 2018, 04:04 PM)

Weird that both mo and 113 is going after me, could you both be imperial soldiers?

wot

Posted by: Insaner Feb 6 2018, 12:09 PM
Akatosh: Hirkala
1. Takari
2. sparrowhawk - voting for maurice
3. Machina
4. Hachi
5. Bob - voting for Boq
6. Marq
7. onetruth - voting for sparrowhawk
8. Boquise - voting for sparrowhawk
9. Framm
10. Majes- voting for mo aka maurice, the Boy Who Survived
11. .113 - voting for Majes
12. plasmid - voting for sparrowhawk
13. Araver - voting for sparrowhawk
14. Insaner - voting for .113
15. maurice - voting for Majes


Posted by: Majeswandar Feb 6 2018, 12:14 PM
Turned the page and caught up and now I know why, don't worry I'm a goodie but it's weird mo got saved last night. I don't want to reveal my role just yet but I know others already know who I am.

Posted by: Insaner Feb 6 2018, 12:18 PM
You enjoy living on the edge I see.

Posted by: Majeswandar Feb 6 2018, 12:20 PM
I do when I actually have an active role lol, also it doesn't matter much if you trust Mlme I trust you... which is kinda weird actually

Posted by: Insaner Feb 6 2018, 12:23 PM
It really is weird.

Posted by: Hachi Feb 6 2018, 12:37 PM
A. I think we should be focusing on a Mafia lynch. Especially given Indies situation. If a joint win is possible it's basically in their best interest to work with us(In the case that mo is Indy)
B. I greatly dislike the focus on Indies today in the sense that I feel like it's thrown us off a little. I also don't like SH focus similar to how others have brought it up.
C. I also am not a fan of Boq's vote because it feels like he's just tagging along without contributing much...Which is strange since you're usually way more aggressive.
D. No idea what's going on with 113 and majes. They're acting weird but not in they're bad way but in a very confusing way.
E. No one else feels particular standout to me yet either on the rest but I am keeping my eyes open.

Posted by: .113 Feb 6 2018, 12:37 PM
Insaner, yes, im frequently the n1 or possibly the N2 kill. Usually because i pick out the scumteam early.

I havent had time to get in this game yet, sorry about that, ill get there but am at work

Posted by: Boquise Feb 6 2018, 01:19 PM
QUOTE (Majeswandar @ Feb 6 2018, 05:14 PM)
Turned the page and caught up and now I know why, don't worry I'm a goodie but it's weird mo got saved last night. I don't want to reveal my role just yet but I know others already know who I am.

Who are the others? The bad men? http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/scared.gif

Posted by: plasmid Feb 6 2018, 01:21 PM
At the risk of looking like I'm indy hunting, this question will actually affect strategy in the not too distant future. To rephrase the previous question slightly:
Hirkala what happens if either the baddies or goodies get wiped out and the indy is still alive? Does the game keep going until either the indy or the remaining faction dies, or does it end in a indy-faction tie win, or just an indy win?

I agree with Hachi somewhat, it felt like I was being petted backwards when Boq said
QUOTE (Boquise @ Feb 6 2018, 07:54 AM)
I don't like SH's thing at mo, since there are so many possibilities to why he survived and trying to "figure it out" would narrow down goodies.
vote sparrowhawk
There aren't that many possibilities, the baddies could easily figure them out, and Machina already listed them on the main thread anyway. Granted there is a baddie RID kill in play that we need to be cautious of, but saying you're voting someone because of trying to "figure it out" is odd unless I'm just being dense and missing the meaning of the quotes. Do you think you can put my mind at more ease without revealing too much?

Takari and Marquessa the game started. Pre-N1 banter is over. There's plenty to talk about now. That goes for you too Framm.

Posted by: Boquise Feb 6 2018, 01:24 PM
QUOTE (Hachi @ Feb 6 2018, 05:37 PM)
A. I think we should be focusing on a Mafia lynch. Especially given Indies situation. If a joint win is possible it's basically in their best interest to work with us(In the case that mo is Indy)
B. I greatly dislike the focus on Indies today in the sense that I feel like it's thrown us off a little. I also don't like SH focus similar to how others have brought it up.
C. I also am not a fan of Boq's vote because it feels like he's just tagging along without contributing much...Which is strange since you're usually way more aggressive.
D. No idea what's going on with 113 and majes. They're acting weird but not in they're bad way but in a very confusing way.
E. No one else feels particular standout to me yet either on the rest but I am keeping my eyes open.

I was displeased that onetruth Random voted one of the majority voted peeps since that doesn't look particularly random. But I decided that SH was where I wanted my vote to be regardless of him having three votes and it reflecting bad on me, since his mo stuff and then explanation were scummy to me.

I don't think anyone said what I said about the vote? It was not a naked vote.

Also, I don't have as much time as I like to be my usual active self (which I stated in the signups iirc).*
But, could you tell me why you don't like the SH focus?





*Also, again lol, I am trying to tone down on my aggro after the wild card fiasco. Trying to emulate a calmer style and avoid going hardcore into people. I think that's more enjoyable for everyone

Posted by: Boquise Feb 6 2018, 01:27 PM
QUOTE (plasmid @ Feb 6 2018, 06:21 PM)
At the risk of looking like I'm indy hunting, this question will actually affect strategy in the not too distant future. To rephrase the previous question slightly:
Hirkala what happens if either the baddies or goodies get wiped out and the indy is still alive? Does the game keep going until either the indy or the remaining faction dies, or does it end in a indy-faction tie win, or just an indy win?

I agree with Hachi somewhat, it felt like I was being petted backwards when Boq said
QUOTE (Boquise @ Feb 6 2018, 07:54 AM)
I don't like SH's thing at mo, since there are so many possibilities to why he survived and trying to "figure it out" would narrow down goodies.
vote sparrowhawk
There aren't that many possibilities, the baddies could easily figure them out, and Machina already listed them on the main thread anyway. Granted there is a baddie RID kill in play that we need to be cautious of, but saying you're voting someone because of trying to "figure it out" is odd unless I'm just being dense and missing the meaning of the quotes. Do you think you can put my mind at more ease without revealing too much?

Takari and Marquessa the game started. Pre-N1 banter is over. There's plenty to talk about now. That goes for you too Framm.

Trying to figure out if Maurice is Indy or not means, if he isn't Indy, that his role is further narrowed down. I do not think it is a good idea to have that as the D1 agenda.

Posted by: Insaner Feb 6 2018, 01:31 PM
vote Majeswandar

Posted by: Machina Feb 6 2018, 01:47 PM
QUOTE (Insaner @ Feb 6 2018, 03:41 AM)
QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 6 2018, 08:31 AM)

All the more reason to hear something out of him TBH.
Though, why exactly are the baddies blocking indiscriminately with public blocks and a lookout spy? Trading one-for-one by outing to kill the baddie block would almost be worth it if they catch them in the act.

I don't understand what your point is here. Lookout spy is as likely to catch a baddie self block as he is to catch a block against anyone else.


Exactly. I'm just confused as to why a block was thrown out at all.

QUOTE (Hachi @ Feb 6 2018, 11:37 AM)
A. I think we should be focusing on a Mafia lynch. Especially given Indies situation. If a joint win is possible it's basically in their best interest to work with us(In the case that mo is Indy)
B. I greatly dislike the focus on Indies today in the sense that I feel like it's thrown us off a little. I also don't like SH focus similar to how others have brought it up.
C. I also am not a fan of Boq's vote because it feels like he's just tagging along without contributing much...Which is strange since you're usually way more aggressive.
D. No idea what's going on with 113 and majes. They're acting weird but not in they're bad way but in a very confusing way.
E. No one else feels particular standout to me yet either on the rest but I am keeping my eyes open.


A. Agreed. Though I highly doubt we can actually joint-win with a role having "KILL EVERYTHING" in its wincon, but I'll wait for Hirk to confirm it. If it had a simple "survive to see the game end" wincon, I would expect it to be worded differently.
B. "Indies?" I think you're reeling a little from Amber III. But regardless, I agree. The indy isn't a huge threat until lategame without a heap of luck or an outed RID, and the trap doesn't even block lynches anyway.
C. I don't know Boq enough to really make a judgement there, but he's not pinging me as particularly scummy? Maybe I'm missing something.
D. Again, not played much with either of them. I think I get what one of them might be trying to say, but I don't agree with the play.

QUOTE (Bob Sacamano @ Feb 6 2018, 06:52 AM)
Akatosh: Hirkala
1. Takari
2. sparrowhawk - voting for maurice
3. Machina
4. Hachi
5. Bob - voting for Boq
6. Marq
7. onetruth
8. Boquise
9. Framm
10. Majes
11. .113 - voting for Majes
12. plasmid - voting for sparrowhawk
13. Araver - voting for sparrowhawk
14. Insaner - voting for .113
15. maurice - voting for Majes

Vote Boq for old times sake p.s we must lynch someone.


Do you have anything else to contribute at all?
If anything looks like chiming in to feign contribution, this does.

Posted by: maurice Feb 6 2018, 02:33 PM
Akatosh: Hirkala
1. Takari
2. sparrowhawk - voting for maurice
3. Machina
4. Hachi
5. Bob - voting for Boq
6. Marq
7. onetruth - voting for sparrowhawk
8. Boquise - voting for sparrowhawk
9. Framm
10. Majes- voting for mo aka maurice, the Boy Who Survived
11. .113 - voting for Majes
12. plasmid - voting for sparrowhawk
13. Araver - voting for sparrowhawk
14. Insaner - voting for Majes
15. maurice - voting for Majes


I wish to be in the baddie btsc tonight.. "do we try to kill mo again (assuming they asked about saving twice in a row). But if he IS Indy we wasted 2 NK." http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/lol.gif

Posted by: plasmid Feb 6 2018, 02:39 PM
QUOTE (Boquise @ Feb 6 2018, 10:27 AM)
QUOTE (plasmid @ Feb 6 2018, 06:21 PM)
At the risk of looking like I'm indy hunting, this question will actually affect strategy in the not too distant future. To rephrase the previous question slightly:
Hirkala what happens if either the baddies or goodies get wiped out and the indy is still alive? Does the game keep going until either the indy or the remaining faction dies, or does it end in a indy-faction tie win, or just an indy win?

I agree with Hachi somewhat, it felt like I was being petted backwards when Boq said
QUOTE (Boquise @ Feb 6 2018, 07:54 AM)
I don't like SH's thing at mo, since there are so many possibilities to why he survived and trying to "figure it out" would narrow down goodies.
vote sparrowhawk
There aren't that many possibilities, the baddies could easily figure them out, and Machina already listed them on the main thread anyway. Granted there is a baddie RID kill in play that we need to be cautious of, but saying you're voting someone because of trying to "figure it out" is odd unless I'm just being dense and missing the meaning of the quotes. Do you think you can put my mind at more ease without revealing too much?

Takari and Marquessa the game started. Pre-N1 banter is over. There's plenty to talk about now. That goes for you too Framm.

Trying to figure out if Maurice is Indy or not means, if he isn't Indy, that his role is further narrowed down. I do not think it is a good idea to have that as the D1 agenda.

'k, but I think I liked your explanation in the post right before this one better.

Posted by: Insaner Feb 6 2018, 02:43 PM
QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 6 2018, 05:47 PM)
QUOTE (Insaner @ Feb 6 2018, 03:41 AM)
QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 6 2018, 08:31 AM)

All the more reason to hear something out of him TBH.
Though, why exactly are the baddies blocking indiscriminately with public blocks and a lookout spy? Trading one-for-one by outing to kill the baddie block would almost be worth it if they catch them in the act.

I don't understand what your point is here. Lookout spy is as likely to catch a baddie self block as he is to catch a block against anyone else.


Exactly. I'm just confused as to why a block was thrown out at all.


?? This didn't answer my question then?

Posted by: Boquise Feb 6 2018, 02:51 PM
QUOTE (plasmid @ Feb 6 2018, 07:39 PM)
QUOTE (Boquise @ Feb 6 2018, 10:27 AM)
QUOTE (plasmid @ Feb 6 2018, 06:21 PM)
At the risk of looking like I'm indy hunting, this question will actually affect strategy in the not too distant future. To rephrase the previous question slightly:
Hirkala what happens if either the baddies or goodies get wiped out and the indy is still alive? Does the game keep going until either the indy or the remaining faction dies, or does it end in a indy-faction tie win, or just an indy win?

I agree with Hachi somewhat, it felt like I was being petted backwards when Boq said
QUOTE (Boquise @ Feb 6 2018, 07:54 AM)
I don't like SH's thing at mo, since there are so many possibilities to why he survived and trying to "figure it out" would narrow down goodies.
vote sparrowhawk
There aren't that many possibilities, the baddies could easily figure them out, and Machina already listed them on the main thread anyway. Granted there is a baddie RID kill in play that we need to be cautious of, but saying you're voting someone because of trying to "figure it out" is odd unless I'm just being dense and missing the meaning of the quotes. Do you think you can put my mind at more ease without revealing too much?

Takari and Marquessa the game started. Pre-N1 banter is over. There's plenty to talk about now. That goes for you too Framm.

Trying to figure out if Maurice is Indy or not means, if he isn't Indy, that his role is further narrowed down. I do not think it is a good idea to have that as the D1 agenda.

'k, but I think I liked your explanation in the post right before this one better.

That's alright tbh you're forgiven

Posted by: Machina Feb 6 2018, 02:52 PM
QUOTE (Insaner @ Feb 6 2018, 01:43 PM)
QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 6 2018, 05:47 PM)
QUOTE (Insaner @ Feb 6 2018, 03:41 AM)
QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 6 2018, 08:31 AM)

All the more reason to hear something out of him TBH.
Though, why exactly are the baddies blocking indiscriminately with public blocks and a lookout spy? Trading one-for-one by outing to kill the baddie block would almost be worth it if they catch them in the act.

I don't understand what your point is here. Lookout spy is as likely to catch a baddie self block as he is to catch a block against anyone else.


Exactly. I'm just confused as to why a block was thrown out at all.


?? This didn't answer my question then?


I don't think random blocking for no reason is in the baddies interests with a lookout spy.
So I assume that either:
A, that was a baddie self-block
B, that was supposed to look like a baddie self block (and it may have hit Alduin)

So I want to hear from Araver.

Posted by: Marquessa Feb 6 2018, 02:56 PM
Yes a less aggressive Boq IS nice. He'd have already been snapping at me about activity and posting ir lack thereof (perceived).

I am concerned that someone that has at least posited a game/player theory is on the chopping block. BUT I also know from past games that SH is lethal so I find myself in a quandry. I dont know Majes very well and Insaner is actually being less agressive also. Let me find the Basil leaf in the stew figuratively and Ill vote.

Posted by: Insaner Feb 6 2018, 03:03 PM
QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 6 2018, 06:52 PM)
QUOTE (Insaner @ Feb 6 2018, 01:43 PM)
QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 6 2018, 05:47 PM)
QUOTE (Insaner @ Feb 6 2018, 03:41 AM)
QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 6 2018, 08:31 AM)

All the more reason to hear something out of him TBH.
Though, why exactly are the baddies blocking indiscriminately with public blocks and a lookout spy? Trading one-for-one by outing to kill the baddie block would almost be worth it if they catch them in the act.

I don't understand what your point is here. Lookout spy is as likely to catch a baddie self block as he is to catch a block against anyone else.


Exactly. I'm just confused as to why a block was thrown out at all.


?? This didn't answer my question then?


I don't think random blocking for no reason is in the baddies interests with a lookout spy.
So I assume that either:
A, that was a baddie self-block
B, that was supposed to look like a baddie self block (and it may have hit Alduin)

So I want to hear from Araver.

That sounds weird.

I don't think that a self-block is very likely, let alone so clearly superior to a normal block on a random person that we should make these assumptions.

Posted by: Framm Feb 6 2018, 03:08 PM
Don't like the way Majes is talking it feels off in a bad way, plus he is the first to ping my D1 radar. Was just obligated to vote 113 first, so...

Please change my vote to Majes.

Posted by: Insaner Feb 6 2018, 03:09 PM
FWIW I don't know what's up with that wagon on SH. Nothing about him stood out to me personally http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/idk.gif

Posted by: Insaner Feb 6 2018, 03:11 PM
Akatosh: Hirkala
1. Takari
2. sparrowhawk - voting for maurice
3. Machina - voting for araver
4. Hachi
5. Bob - voting for Boq
6. Marq
7. onetruth - voting for sparrowhawk
8. Boquise - voting for sparrowhawk
9. Framm - voting for Majes
10. Majes- voting for mo aka maurice, the Boy Who Survived
11. .113 - voting for Majes
12. plasmid - voting for sparrowhawk
13. Araver - voting for sparrowhawk
14. Insaner - voting for Majes
15. maurice - voting for Majes

Framm it's nice to see you got my back http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/thumbsup.gif

Posted by: Machina Feb 6 2018, 03:31 PM
QUOTE (Insaner @ Feb 6 2018, 02:03 PM)
QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 6 2018, 06:52 PM)
I don't think random blocking for no reason is in the baddies interests with a lookout spy.
So I assume that either:
A, that was a baddie self-block
B, that was supposed to look like a baddie self block (and it may have hit Alduin)

So I want to hear from Araver.

That sounds weird.

I don't think that a self-block is very likely, let alone so clearly superior to a normal block on a random person that we should make these assumptions.


Eh, I suppose I'm not really familiar enough with the intricacies of public blocking to be jumping to these conclusions.
Either way, Araver's not said anything, so I still want to hear something out of him.



As for the wagons on SH and Majes, maybe I'm missing something? SH I don't really read strongly either way currently, and if I'm picking up on what Majes is implying correctly...well, I'd rather not say, but I thought it was obvious.
Though on second thought, it doesn't actually make him any more likely to be goodie.

Akatosh: Hirkala
1. Takari
2. sparrowhawk - voting for maurice
3. Machina - voting for Majes
4. Hachi
5. Bob - voting for Boq
6. Marq
7. onetruth - voting for sparrowhawk
8. Boquise - voting for sparrowhawk
9. Framm - voting for Majes
10. Majes- voting for mo aka maurice, the Boy Who Survived
11. .113 - voting for Majes
12. plasmid - voting for sparrowhawk
13. Araver - voting for sparrowhawk
14. Insaner - voting for Majes
15. maurice - voting for Majes

Anything to say for yourself Majeswandar? Particularly about what happened to you last night?

Given the current voting patterns though, if one of Majes or SH flips baddie I think the other has some explaining to do.

Posted by: Machina Feb 6 2018, 03:43 PM
Takari, Hachi, Marquessa, any reason you three haven't voted?

Posted by: Majeswandar Feb 6 2018, 03:44 PM
I seriously don't want to claim my role this early in the game but I have already given enough hints as to what it is. I spied insaner last night as good, I was also visited again by a nice person with some tea... I have to say it's nice having a role where I can actually do things and not be a baddie.

Posted by: maurice Feb 6 2018, 03:46 PM
Machina I think I picked up on one thing Majes said as well... Thing is that second thing about so many people know who he is now (http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/lmao.gif at boq's "the bad people?" BTW) doesn't fly with what I thought he was getting at.

The deal with sh is he can say a lot and leave off the right amount to make sure he says just enough to sound good, while not giving useful info. I think our interaction was early right in the day that we certainly can disagree while we build cases. I don't know if that scared people or the fact that he's voting for the nk target. Baddies would want to divert the attention to an indy hunt.

I also can see both sides regarding the baddie block. They could self block, or couldn't. No real way of knowing. Questioning araver about it is certainly a legitimate response. We shouldn't assume that the baddies would or wouldn't self block.

Posted by: Hachi Feb 6 2018, 03:47 PM
QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 6 2018, 02:43 PM)
Takari, Hachi, Marquessa, any reason you three haven't voted?


All of these lynch choices feel bleh to me.

Maybe I'm paranoid but this day feels really off to me. Like I kind of get the impression these really aren't town band wagons? Something feels really off.


Posted by: Insaner Feb 6 2018, 03:48 PM
Machina is such a wolf tbh. He thought Majes was implying something, but no one believes him, but he thought it was really obvious...

My perception of you is that of a rather, how should I say it, firm person. Right now you are pretty much just rolling with the flow.

Posted by: Marquessa Feb 6 2018, 03:48 PM
I gave my reason a couple posts above yours asking me why....

Posted by: Insaner Feb 6 2018, 03:49 PM
QUOTE (Majeswandar @ Feb 6 2018, 07:44 PM)
I seriously don't want to claim my role this early in the game but I have already given enough hints as to what it is. I spied insaner last night as good, I was also visited again by a nice person with some tea... I have to say it's nice having a role where I can actually do things and not be a baddie.

Wait whaaaaa http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/wacko.gif

Posted by: Hachi Feb 6 2018, 03:50 PM
QUOTE (Boquise @ Feb 6 2018, 12:24 PM)
QUOTE (Hachi @ Feb 6 2018, 05:37 PM)
A. I think we should be focusing on a Mafia lynch. Especially given Indies situation. If a joint win is possible it's basically in their best interest to work with us(In the case that mo is Indy)
B. I greatly dislike the focus on Indies today in the sense that I feel like it's thrown us off a little. I also don't like SH focus similar to how others have brought it up.
C. I also am not a fan of Boq's vote because it feels like he's just tagging along without contributing much...Which is strange since you're usually way more aggressive.
D. No idea what's going on with 113 and majes. They're acting weird but not in they're bad way but in a very confusing way.
E. No one else feels particular standout to me yet either on the rest but I am keeping my eyes open.

I was displeased that onetruth Random voted one of the majority voted peeps since that doesn't look particularly random. But I decided that SH was where I wanted my vote to be regardless of him having three votes and it reflecting bad on me, since his mo stuff and then explanation were scummy to me.

I don't think anyone said what I said about the vote? It was not a naked vote.

Also, I don't have as much time as I like to be my usual active self (which I stated in the signups iirc).*
But, could you tell me why you don't like the SH focus?





*Also, again lol, I am trying to tone down on my aggro after the wild card fiasco. Trying to emulate a calmer style and avoid going hardcore into people. I think that's more enjoyable for everyone


It's not that I dislike the SH focus. It's just usually you're way more agressive maybe that's a "playstyle difference" or something else but, I think it's notable and it's just throwing me off I guess, lmao.

Posted by: Insaner Feb 6 2018, 03:51 PM
Okay not what I was thinking http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/headbang.gif

vote Machina

Posted by: Insaner Feb 6 2018, 03:52 PM
Someone save majes tonight lmaoooooo

Posted by: Hachi Feb 6 2018, 03:52 PM
QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 6 2018, 12:47 PM)
QUOTE (Insaner @ Feb 6 2018, 03:41 AM)
QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 6 2018, 08:31 AM)

All the more reason to hear something out of him TBH.
Though, why exactly are the baddies blocking indiscriminately with public blocks and a lookout spy? Trading one-for-one by outing to kill the baddie block would almost be worth it if they catch them in the act.

I don't understand what your point is here. Lookout spy is as likely to catch a baddie self block as he is to catch a block against anyone else.


Exactly. I'm just confused as to why a block was thrown out at all.

QUOTE (Hachi @ Feb 6 2018, 11:37 AM)
A. I think we should be focusing on a Mafia lynch. Especially given Indies situation. If a joint win is possible it's basically in their best interest to work with us(In the case that mo is Indy)
B. I greatly dislike the focus on Indies today in the sense that I feel like it's thrown us off a little. I also don't like SH focus similar to how others have brought it up.
C. I also am not a fan of Boq's vote because it feels like he's just tagging along without contributing much...Which is strange since you're usually way more aggressive.
D. No idea what's going on with 113 and majes. They're acting weird but not in they're bad way but in a very confusing way.
E. No one else feels particular standout to me yet either on the rest but I am keeping my eyes open.


A. Agreed. Though I highly doubt we can actually joint-win with a role having "KILL EVERYTHING" in its wincon, but I'll wait for Hirk to confirm it. If it had a simple "survive to see the game end" wincon, I would expect it to be worded differently.
B. "Indies?" I think you're reeling a little from Amber III. But regardless, I agree. The indy isn't a huge threat until lategame without a heap of luck or an outed RID, and the trap doesn't even block lynches anyway.
C. I don't know Boq enough to really make a judgement there, but he's not pinging me as particularly scummy? Maybe I'm missing something.
D. Again, not played much with either of them. I think I get what one of them might be trying to say, but I don't agree with the play.

QUOTE (Bob Sacamano @ Feb 6 2018, 06:52 AM)
Akatosh: Hirkala
1. Takari
2. sparrowhawk - voting for maurice
3. Machina
4. Hachi
5. Bob - voting for Boq
6. Marq
7. onetruth
8. Boquise
9. Framm
10. Majes
11. .113 - voting for Majes
12. plasmid - voting for sparrowhawk
13. Araver - voting for sparrowhawk
14. Insaner - voting for .113
15. maurice - voting for Majes

Vote Boq for old times sake p.s we must lynch someone.


Do you have anything else to contribute at all?
If anything looks like chiming in to feign contribution, this does.


If I remember the original win con was more outlive x players to win but I guess it might've been changed in order to make an actual victory more feasible for everyone because of all the kill roles this game.

Posted by: maurice Feb 6 2018, 03:52 PM
QUOTE (Majeswandar @ Feb 6 2018, 01:44 PM)
I seriously don't want to claim my role this early in the game but I have already given enough hints as to what it is. I spied insaner last night as good, I was also visited again by a nice person with some tea... I have to say it's nice having a role where I can actually do things and not be a baddie.


I can buy that.

Imma move my vote to Bob

Im not sure I agree with the outing but ok. If you're lying you'll die tonight more than likely.



Posted by: maurice Feb 6 2018, 03:54 PM
QUOTE (Hachi @ Feb 6 2018, 01:47 PM)
QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 6 2018, 02:43 PM)
Takari, Hachi, Marquessa, any reason you three haven't voted?


All of these lynch choices feel bleh to me.

Maybe I'm paranoid but this day feels really off to me. Like I kind of get the impression these really aren't town band wagons? Something feels really off.


Actually Hachi is there a candidate you'd like to pressure /lynch?

Posted by: Majeswandar Feb 6 2018, 03:58 PM
QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 07:52 PM)
QUOTE (Majeswandar @ Feb 6 2018, 01:44 PM)
I seriously don't want to claim my role this early in the game but I have already given enough hints as to what it is. I spied insaner last night as good, I was also visited again by a nice person with some tea... I have to say it's nice having a role where I can actually do things and not be a baddie.


I can buy that.

Imma move my vote to Bob

Im not sure I agree with the outing but ok. If you're lying you'll die tonight more than likely.

Well hopefully I don't get hit twice, but then again I can't be the first goodie to die either... personally if we can do it I would rather not lynch anyone today until we can get more info.

Posted by: Insaner Feb 6 2018, 03:59 PM
QUOTE (Majeswandar @ Feb 6 2018, 07:58 PM)
QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 07:52 PM)
QUOTE (Majeswandar @ Feb 6 2018, 01:44 PM)
I seriously don't want to claim my role this early in the game but I have already given enough hints as to what it is. I spied insaner last night as good, I was also visited again by a nice person with some tea... I have to say it's nice having a role where I can actually do things and not be a baddie.


I can buy that.

Imma move my vote to Bob

Im not sure I agree with the outing but ok. If you're lying you'll die tonight more than likely.

Well hopefully I don't get hit twice, but then again I can't be the first goodie to die either... personally if we can do it I would rather not lynch anyone today until we can get more info.

I'm your N1 spy.

SHEEP ME

AYYYY LMAO

Posted by: maurice Feb 6 2018, 04:00 PM
QUOTE (Majeswandar @ Feb 6 2018, 01:58 PM)
QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 07:52 PM)
QUOTE (Majeswandar @ Feb 6 2018, 01:44 PM)
I seriously don't want to claim my role this early in the game but I have already given enough hints as to what it is. I spied insaner last night as good, I was also visited again by a nice person with some tea... I have to say it's nice having a role where I can actually do things and not be a baddie.


I can buy that.

Imma move my vote to Bob

Im not sure I agree with the outing but ok. If you're lying you'll die tonight more than likely.

Well hopefully I don't get hit twice, but then again I can't be the first goodie to die either... personally if we can do it I would rather not lynch anyone today until we can get more info.


OK... So let's lynch you...

Posted by: Insaner Feb 6 2018, 04:00 PM
I think you should all sheep me.

But let me get things straight with Machina first.

Posted by: Hachi Feb 6 2018, 04:01 PM
QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 02:54 PM)
QUOTE (Hachi @ Feb 6 2018, 01:47 PM)
QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 6 2018, 02:43 PM)
Takari, Hachi, Marquessa, any reason you three haven't voted?


All of these lynch choices feel bleh to me.

Maybe I'm paranoid but this day feels really off to me. Like I kind of get the impression these really aren't town band wagons? Something feels really off.


Actually Hachi is there a candidate you'd like to pressure /lynch?


I'd like to see more from Bob and One Truth because it feels like they've coasted a bit. I'd pressure Marq but she is always like this and I'm not sure we'd get anything of use from her.

Dunno how I feel about machina pressuring majes even after all the hints either.

Again like I said this whole game has me thrown for a loop.

I guess for now though I'll support a pressure on Bob.

Vote: Bob

Posted by: Hachi Feb 6 2018, 04:03 PM
Actually no let's pressure Machina. I'd like to see his response on these revelations.

Vote Machina

Posted by: Majeswandar Feb 6 2018, 04:03 PM
I mean you could lynch me.. it does not say that I cannot be lynched or killed first just that I can't be the first goodie to die

hirkala can the dragonborn be lynched before a goodie dies?

Posted by: Takari Feb 6 2018, 04:04 PM
QUOTE (Hachi @ Feb 6 2018, 10:37 AM)
A. I think we should be focusing on a Mafia lynch. Especially given Indies situation. If a joint win is possible it's basically in their best interest to work with us(In the case that mo is Indy)
B. I greatly dislike the focus on Indies today in the sense that I feel like it's thrown us off a little. I also don't like SH focus similar to how others have brought it up.
C. I also am not a fan of Boq's vote because it feels like he's just tagging along without contributing much...Which is strange since you're usually way more aggressive.
D. No idea what's going on with 113 and majes. They're acting weird but not in they're bad way but in a very confusing way.
E. No one else feels particular standout to me yet either on the rest but I am keeping my eyes open.

Reading through everything I honestly couldn't agree with you more

Posted by: Insaner Feb 6 2018, 04:04 PM
QUOTE (Takari @ Feb 6 2018, 08:04 PM)
QUOTE (Hachi @ Feb 6 2018, 10:37 AM)
A. I think we should be focusing on a Mafia lynch. Especially given Indies situation. If a joint win is possible it's basically in their best interest to work with us(In the case that mo is Indy)
B. I greatly dislike the focus on Indies today in the sense that I feel like it's thrown us off a little. I also don't like SH focus similar to how others have brought it up.
C. I also am not a fan of Boq's vote because it feels like he's just tagging along without contributing much...Which is strange since you're usually way more aggressive.
D. No idea what's going on with 113 and majes. They're acting weird but not in they're bad way but in a very confusing way.
E. No one else feels particular standout to me yet either on the rest but I am keeping my eyes open.

Reading through everything I honestly couldn't agree with you more

Well put http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/clap.gif

Posted by: maurice Feb 6 2018, 04:04 PM
Akatosh: Hirkala
1. Takari
2. sparrowhawk - voting for maurice
3. Machina - voting for Majes
4. Hachi - voting for Machina
5. Bob - voting for Boq
6. Marq
7. onetruth - voting for sparrowhawk
8. Boquise - voting for sparrowhawk
9. Framm - voting for Majes
10. Majes- voting for mo aka maurice, the Boy Who Survived
11. .113 - voting for Majes
12. plasmid - voting for sparrowhawk
13. Araver - voting for sparrowhawk
14. Insaner - voting for Machina
15. maurice - voting for Machina

Posted by: Takari Feb 6 2018, 04:05 PM
QUOTE (plasmid @ Feb 6 2018, 11:21 AM)
At the risk of looking like I'm indy hunting, this question will actually affect strategy in the not too distant future. To rephrase the previous question slightly:
Hirkala what happens if either the baddies or goodies get wiped out and the indy is still alive? Does the game keep going until either the indy or the remaining faction dies, or does it end in a indy-faction tie win, or just an indy win?

I agree with Hachi somewhat, it felt like I was being petted backwards when Boq said
QUOTE (Boquise @ Feb 6 2018, 07:54 AM)
I don't like SH's thing at mo, since there are so many possibilities to why he survived and trying to "figure it out" would narrow down goodies.
vote sparrowhawk
There aren't that many possibilities, the baddies could easily figure them out, and Machina already listed them on the main thread anyway. Granted there is a baddie RID kill in play that we need to be cautious of, but saying you're voting someone because of trying to "figure it out" is odd unless I'm just being dense and missing the meaning of the quotes. Do you think you can put my mind at more ease without revealing too much?

Takari and Marquessa the game started. Pre-N1 banter is over. There's plenty to talk about now. That goes for you too Framm.

Been at work all day, reading now

Posted by: Machina Feb 6 2018, 04:06 PM
EDIT: Sniped

Vote: Araver

No reason to not believe the claim IMO.
Obviously the value of eliminating Alduin just went way up, so I'm looking at you Maurice and Araver.
Majes is actually in a really favorable position if we can eliminate Alduin today. (And is actually who he claims to be, which I currently believe)

QUOTE (Insaner @ Feb 6 2018, 02:52 PM)
Someone save majes tonight lmaoooooo


He doesn't need a save until a goodie dies, then he has his own.

QUOTE (Insaner @ Feb 6 2018, 02:48 PM)
Machina is such a wolf tbh. He thought Majes was implying something, but no one believes him, but he thought it was really obvious...

My perception of you is that of a rather, how should I say it, firm person. Right now you are pretty much just rolling with the flow.


I guess I'll just up and say it then, though if his visitor was follow spied then I'm giving the baddies valuable info...
I thought Majes was messaged last night, from what he said. And for some reason, my tired brain seemed to think that would make him a more likely goodie.

Although yes, I'll admit I've been less, how shall I say, "firm" this game.
I was a little out of it yesterday after frying my mental circuits by trying to absorb pages and pages of D&D lore, of all things.
Low RAM and all that.

But I fully intend to pick up the slack now.

Posted by: Majeswandar Feb 6 2018, 04:07 PM
Akatosh: Hirkala
1. Takari
2. sparrowhawk - voting for maurice
3. Machina - voting for Majes
4. Hachi - voting for Machina
5. Bob - voting for Boq
6. Marq
7. onetruth - voting for sparrowhawk
8. Boquise - voting for sparrowhawk
9. Framm -  voting for Majes
10. Majes- abstaining?
11. .113 - voting for Majes
12. plasmid - voting for sparrowhawk
13. Araver - voting for sparrowhawk
14. Insaner - voting for Machina
15. maurice - voting for Machina

Posted by: Insaner Feb 6 2018, 04:07 PM
Come on people, how am I supposed to figure this game out?

Takari @Bob Framm onetruth @.113

Bring me a baddie, a fat one. The first one to do so gets to be my housecarl!

Posted by: Hachi Feb 6 2018, 04:12 PM
QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 6 2018, 03:06 PM)
EDIT: Sniped

Vote: Araver

No reason to not believe the claim IMO.
Obviously the value of eliminating Alduin just went way up, so I'm looking at you Maurice and Araver.
Majes is actually in a really favorable position if we can eliminate Alduin today. (And is actually who he claims to be, which I currently believe)

QUOTE (Insaner @ Feb 6 2018, 02:52 PM)
Someone save majes tonight lmaoooooo


He doesn't need a save until a goodie dies, then he has his own.

QUOTE (Insaner @ Feb 6 2018, 02:48 PM)
Machina is such a wolf tbh. He thought Majes was implying something, but no one believes him, but he thought it was really obvious...

My perception of you is that of a rather, how should I say it, firm person. Right now you are pretty much just rolling with the flow.


I guess I'll just up and say it then, though if his visitor was follow spied then I'm giving the baddies valuable info...
I thought Majes was messaged last night, from what he said. And for some reason, my tired brain seemed to think that would make him a more likely goodie.

Although yes, I'll admit I've been less, how shall I say, "firm" this game.
I was a little out of it yesterday after frying my mental circuits by trying to absorb pages and pages of D&D lore, of all things.
Low RAM and all that.

But I fully intend to pick up the slack now.


Again there's no point worrying about Indy until a goodie actually dies first. Alduin is scary but I doubt they're gonna anger town, especially so early on. ESPECIALLY if they're already compromised. I'd make a case that it'd be in their best interest to support town if that joint wincon is possible.

Posted by: Insaner Feb 6 2018, 04:14 PM
QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 6 2018, 08:06 PM)

Although yes, I'll admit I've been less, how shall I say, "firm" this game.
I was a little out of it yesterday after frying my mental circuits by trying to absorb pages and pages of D&D lore, of all things.
Low RAM and all that.

But I fully intend to pick up the slack now.

You don't have much time...

Posted by: Machina Feb 6 2018, 04:15 PM
QUOTE (Hachi @ Feb 6 2018, 03:12 PM)
QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 6 2018, 03:06 PM)
EDIT: Sniped

Vote: Araver

No reason to not believe the claim IMO.
Obviously the value of eliminating Alduin just went way up, so I'm looking at you Maurice and Araver.
Majes is actually in a really favorable position if we can eliminate Alduin today. (And is actually who he claims to be, which I currently believe)

QUOTE (Insaner @ Feb 6 2018, 02:52 PM)
Someone save majes tonight lmaoooooo


He doesn't need a save until a goodie dies, then he has his own.

QUOTE (Insaner @ Feb 6 2018, 02:48 PM)
Machina is such a wolf tbh. He thought Majes was implying something, but no one believes him, but he thought it was really obvious...

My perception of you is that of a rather, how should I say it, firm person. Right now you are pretty much just rolling with the flow.


I guess I'll just up and say it then, though if his visitor was follow spied then I'm giving the baddies valuable info...
I thought Majes was messaged last night, from what he said. And for some reason, my tired brain seemed to think that would make him a more likely goodie.

Although yes, I'll admit I've been less, how shall I say, "firm" this game.
I was a little out of it yesterday after frying my mental circuits by trying to absorb pages and pages of D&D lore, of all things.
Low RAM and all that.

But I fully intend to pick up the slack now.


Again there's no point worrying about Indy until a goodie actually dies first. Alduin is scary but I doubt they're gonna anger town, especially so early on. ESPECIALLY if they're already compromised. I'd make a case that it'd be in their best interest to support town if that joint wincon is possible.


Then we really need clarification from Hirk. Because if the indy actually has to kill everyone, (which from the rest of the role list and his abilities I would assume he does?) then Majes is at risk of being smacked with the unblockable RID kill

Hirkala Can Alduin kill the dragonborn before any other goodies are dead?

Posted by: Hachi Feb 6 2018, 04:17 PM
That's fair but your insistence to push that lynch with incomplete information is sketchy as best is all I'm sayin

Posted by: Insaner Feb 6 2018, 04:17 PM
I miss araver

I wonder what he will bring to the table.

Posted by: Majeswandar Feb 6 2018, 04:18 PM
didn't think of that machina... in currently swearing at myself... I should have just let myself be hanged

Posted by: Hachi Feb 6 2018, 04:19 PM
QUOTE (Majeswandar @ Feb 6 2018, 03:18 PM)
didn't think of that machina... in currently swearing at myself... I should have just let myself be hanged


Would've been the same result bit with a wasted lynch imo.

Posted by: Insaner Feb 6 2018, 04:19 PM
QUOTE (Majeswandar @ Feb 6 2018, 08:18 PM)
didn't think of that machina... in currently swearing at myself... I should have just let myself be hanged

Look at the bright side of things.

Now I get to boss around http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/XD.gif

Posted by: maurice Feb 6 2018, 04:22 PM
QUOTE (Hachi @ Feb 6 2018, 02:12 PM)
QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 6 2018, 03:06 PM)
EDIT: Sniped

Vote: Araver

No reason to not believe the claim IMO.
Obviously the value of eliminating Alduin just went way up, so I'm looking at you Maurice and Araver.
Majes is actually in a really favorable position if we can eliminate Alduin today. (And is actually who he claims to be, which I currently believe)

QUOTE (Insaner @ Feb 6 2018, 02:52 PM)
Someone save majes tonight lmaoooooo


He doesn't need a save until a goodie dies, then he has his own.

QUOTE (Insaner @ Feb 6 2018, 02:48 PM)
Machina is such a wolf tbh. He thought Majes was implying something, but no one believes him, but he thought it was really obvious...

My perception of you is that of a rather, how should I say it, firm person. Right now you are pretty much just rolling with the flow.


I guess I'll just up and say it then, though if his visitor was follow spied then I'm giving the baddies valuable info...
I thought Majes was messaged last night, from what he said. And for some reason, my tired brain seemed to think that would make him a more likely goodie.

Although yes, I'll admit I've been less, how shall I say, "firm" this game.
I was a little out of it yesterday after frying my mental circuits by trying to absorb pages and pages of D&D lore, of all things.
Low RAM and all that.

But I fully intend to pick up the slack now.


Again there's no point worrying about Indy until a goodie actually dies first. Alduin is scary but I doubt they're gonna anger town, especially so early on. ESPECIALLY if they're already compromised. I'd make a case that it'd be in their best interest to support town if that joint wincon is possible.


I agree.

First I had to http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/headbang.gif but next ill http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/mafia.gif






Posted by: Takari Feb 6 2018, 04:26 PM
Akatosh: Hirkala
1. Takari - voting for Machina
2. sparrowhawk - voting for maurice
3. Machina - voting for Majes
4. Hachi - voting for Machina
5. Bob - voting for Boq
6. Marq
7. onetruth - voting for sparrowhawk
8. Boquise - voting for sparrowhawk
9. Framm - voting for Majes
10. Majes- voting for mo aka maurice, the Boy Who Survived
11. .113 - voting for Majes
12. plasmid - voting for sparrowhawk
13. Araver - voting for sparrowhawk
14. Insaner - voting for Machina
15. maurice - voting for Machina
I've only played one other game with Machina but he seems a lot different than then so I'm gonna vote for Machina.

Posted by: Boquise Feb 6 2018, 04:27 PM
QUOTE (Marquessa @ Feb 6 2018, 07:56 PM)
Yes a less aggressive Boq IS nice. He'd have already been snapping at me about activity and posting ir lack thereof (perceived).

I am concerned that someone that has at least posited a game/player theory is on the chopping block. BUT I also know from past games that SH is lethal so I find myself in a quandry. I dont know Majes very well and Insaner is actually being less agressive also. Let me find the Basil leaf in the stew figuratively and Ill vote.

TBH with you I just want the lurk thing to pay off

Posted by: Hirkala Feb 6 2018, 04:27 PM
QUOTE (Insaner @ Feb 6 2018, 01:49 AM)
Hirkala

What is Alduin's wincon? Last standing or alive at the end?


Survive until the end of the game. If they are alive when the game ends, they win.

QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 6 2018, 02:12 AM)
Hirkala Does the Dragonborn's shout appear differently in the NP than all the other saves?

If it does, we can completely ignore that possibility.


I can not answer this question. Spoilers.

QUOTE (Insaner @ Feb 6 2018, 02:42 AM)
Hirkala will a self block be shown in the NP?


All successful blocks will show.

QUOTE (plasmid @ Feb 6 2018, 11:21 AM)
At the risk of looking like I'm indy hunting, this question will actually affect strategy in the not too distant future. To rephrase the previous question slightly:
Hirkala what happens if either the baddies or goodies get wiped out and the indy is still alive? Does the game keep going until either the indy or the remaining faction dies, or does it end in a indy-faction tie win, or just an indy win?


The Indy can not end the game. His WinCon is dependent on the game ending and being alive at that time.

QUOTE (Majeswandar @ Feb 6 2018, 02:03 PM)
I mean you could lynch me.. it does not say that I cannot be lynched or killed first just that I can't be the first goodie to die

hirkala can the dragonborn be lynched before a goodie dies?


The Dragonborn can not be the first Goodie to die.

QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 6 2018, 02:15 PM)

Hirkala Can Alduin kill the dragonborn before any other goodies are dead?


The Dragonborn can not be the first Goodie to die.

Posted by: Machina Feb 6 2018, 04:28 PM
QUOTE (Hachi @ Feb 6 2018, 03:17 PM)
That's fair but your insistence to push that lynch with incomplete information is sketchy as best is all I'm sayin


Yeah, I'll admit I didn't really think that through.
Although I think this can be salvaged. We also have a lookout spy to deter Alduin from RIDing Majes.
Actually, the game almost seems built around letting the dragonborn out, now that I stop to think about it.
Now Lydia can RID him and gain BTSC, Vignar can privately reveal themselves...
Lookout spy can watch him and find out who Lydia and the messenger are if he isn't killed, or possibly catch a killer ballsy enough to go after him.

Majeswandar you're actually all set to lead at this point, honestly. I suggest you lead the lynch rather than abstain, as your vote is practically a guaranteed goodie vote now.

Posted by: Hachi Feb 6 2018, 04:28 PM
I rest my case.

Posted by: Boquise Feb 6 2018, 04:29 PM
QUOTE (Hachi @ Feb 6 2018, 08:50 PM)
QUOTE (Boquise @ Feb 6 2018, 12:24 PM)
QUOTE (Hachi @ Feb 6 2018, 05:37 PM)
A. I think we should be focusing on a Mafia lynch. Especially given Indies situation. If a joint win is possible it's basically in their best interest to work with us(In the case that mo is Indy)
B. I greatly dislike the focus on Indies today in the sense that I feel like it's thrown us off a little. I also don't like SH focus similar to how others have brought it up.
C. I also am not a fan of Boq's vote because it feels like he's just tagging along without contributing much...Which is strange since you're usually way more aggressive.
D. No idea what's going on with 113 and majes. They're acting weird but not in they're bad way but in a very confusing way.
E. No one else feels particular standout to me yet either on the rest but I am keeping my eyes open.

I was displeased that onetruth Random voted one of the majority voted peeps since that doesn't look particularly random. But I decided that SH was where I wanted my vote to be regardless of him having three votes and it reflecting bad on me, since his mo stuff and then explanation were scummy to me.

I don't think anyone said what I said about the vote? It was not a naked vote.

Also, I don't have as much time as I like to be my usual active self (which I stated in the signups iirc).*
But, could you tell me why you don't like the SH focus?





*Also, again lol, I am trying to tone down on my aggro after the wild card fiasco. Trying to emulate a calmer style and avoid going hardcore into people. I think that's more enjoyable for everyone


It's not that I dislike the SH focus. It's just usually you're way more agressive maybe that's a "playstyle difference" or something else but, I think it's notable and it's just throwing me off I guess, lmao.

Previously on the Hachinator tbh
"I also don't like SH focus"


Takin' it easy, not stressin' mah reads.

Posted by: Majeswandar Feb 6 2018, 04:29 PM
Akatosh: Hirkala
1. Takari - voting for Machina
2. sparrowhawk - voting for maurice
3. Machina - voting for Majes
4. Hachi - voting for Machina
5. Bob - voting for Boq
6. Marq
7. onetruth - voting for sparrowhawk
8. Boquise - voting for sparrowhawk
9. Framm - voting for Majes
10. Majes- abstaining
11. .113 - voting for Majes
12. plasmid - voting for sparrowhawk
13. Araver - voting for sparrowhawk
14. Insaner - voting for Machina
15. maurice - voting for Machina
Correcting my vote on here

Posted by: maurice Feb 6 2018, 04:29 PM
Hirkala

*maurice wonders what happens if the baddies attempt 2 kills N2, one of them on the dragondude. If order matters please answer for both sequences.

Posted by: Boquise Feb 6 2018, 04:30 PM
QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 09:00 PM)
QUOTE (Majeswandar @ Feb 6 2018, 01:58 PM)
QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 07:52 PM)
QUOTE (Majeswandar @ Feb 6 2018, 01:44 PM)
I seriously don't want to claim my role this early in the game but I have already given enough hints as to what it is. I spied insaner last night as good, I was also visited again by a nice person with some tea... I have to say it's nice having a role where I can actually do things and not be a baddie.


I can buy that.

Imma move my vote to Bob

Im not sure I agree with the outing but ok. If you're lying you'll die tonight more than likely.

Well hopefully I don't get hit twice, but then again I can't be the first goodie to die either... personally if we can do it I would rather not lynch anyone today until we can get more info.


OK... So let's lynch you...

Wtf

Posted by: maurice Feb 6 2018, 04:31 PM
Majeswandar can we vote Bob now?

Posted by: Boquise Feb 6 2018, 04:32 PM
QUOTE (Hachi @ Feb 6 2018, 09:03 PM)
Actually no let's pressure Machina. I'd like to see his response on these revelations.

Vote Machina

Gonna go out on a limb and say it is goodie to change vote like so rapidly like this since baddies are self-aware with their votes

Posted by: Machina Feb 6 2018, 04:32 PM
wait what
alduin actually just has a survive wincon?

ooookaay. That's something else to throw all my preconceived notions about this game out the window, again.

This is basically going to be a steamroll now, I think? If we can lynch a baddie today, Majes doesn't even need a save.

Posted by: Boquise Feb 6 2018, 04:33 PM
QUOTE (Takari @ Feb 6 2018, 09:04 PM)
QUOTE (Hachi @ Feb 6 2018, 10:37 AM)
A. I think we should be focusing on a Mafia lynch. Especially given Indies situation. If a joint win is possible it's basically in their best interest to work with us(In the case that mo is Indy)
B. I greatly dislike the focus on Indies today in the sense that I feel like it's thrown us off a little. I also don't like SH focus similar to how others have brought it up.
C. I also am not a fan of Boq's vote because it feels like he's just tagging along without contributing much...Which is strange since you're usually way more aggressive.
D. No idea what's going on with 113 and majes. They're acting weird but not in they're bad way but in a very confusing way.
E. No one else feels particular standout to me yet either on the rest but I am keeping my eyes open.

Reading through everything I honestly couldn't agree with you more

Me neither!!

Posted by: maurice Feb 6 2018, 04:33 PM
QUOTE (Boquise @ Feb 6 2018, 02:30 PM)
QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 09:00 PM)
QUOTE (Majeswandar @ Feb 6 2018, 01:58 PM)
QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 07:52 PM)
QUOTE (Majeswandar @ Feb 6 2018, 01:44 PM)
I seriously don't want to claim my role this early in the game but I have already given enough hints as to what it is. I spied insaner last night as good, I was also visited again by a nice person with some tea... I have to say it's nice having a role where I can actually do things and not be a baddie.


I can buy that.

Imma move my vote to Bob

Im not sure I agree with the outing but ok. If you're lying you'll die tonight more than likely.

Well hopefully I don't get hit twice, but then again I can't be the first goodie to die either... personally if we can do it I would rather not lynch anyone today until we can get more info.


OK... So let's lynch you...

Wtf


I guess you're not following along. He claimed immunity and not wanting to lynch a goodie. Then lynching him should be the move. If we lynch a goodie he's lost his immunity. If we lynch him he won't die... Unless he's lying.

Posted by: Insaner Feb 6 2018, 04:34 PM
QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 6 2018, 08:28 PM)
QUOTE (Hachi @ Feb 6 2018, 03:17 PM)
That's fair but your insistence to push that lynch with incomplete information is sketchy as best is all I'm sayin


Yeah, I'll admit I didn't really think that through.
Although I think this can be salvaged. We also have a lookout spy to deter Alduin from RIDing Majes.
Actually, the game almost seems built around letting the dragonborn out, now that I stop to think about it.
Now Lydia can RID him and gain BTSC, Vignar can privately reveal themselves...
Lookout spy can watch him and find out who Lydia and the messenger are if he isn't killed, or possibly catch a killer ballsy enough to go after him.

Majeswandar you're actually all set to lead at this point, honestly. I suggest you lead the lynch rather than abstain, as your vote is practically a guaranteed goodie vote now.

Right, and I am his town spy! Which means that my vote is just as reliable as his is.

Majeswandar you can go now. I will handle things from here on out http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/yes.gif

Posted by: maurice Feb 6 2018, 04:35 PM
Insaner since you're in charge, can we lynch/pressure Bob.

Posted by: Insaner Feb 6 2018, 04:36 PM
QUOTE (Hirkala @ Feb 6 2018, 08:27 PM)
Hirkala

What is Alduin's wincon? Last standing or alive at the end?


Survive until the end of the game. If they are alive when the game ends, they win.
This is good. Means we can work out a deal, potentially http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/whistle.gif

Posted by: Boquise Feb 6 2018, 04:36 PM
QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 09:33 PM)
QUOTE (Boquise @ Feb 6 2018, 02:30 PM)
QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 09:00 PM)
QUOTE (Majeswandar @ Feb 6 2018, 01:58 PM)
QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 07:52 PM)
QUOTE (Majeswandar @ Feb 6 2018, 01:44 PM)
I seriously don't want to claim my role this early in the game but I have already given enough hints as to what it is. I spied insaner last night as good, I was also visited again by a nice person with some tea... I have to say it's nice having a role where I can actually do things and not be a baddie.


I can buy that.

Imma move my vote to Bob

Im not sure I agree with the outing but ok. If you're lying you'll die tonight more than likely.

Well hopefully I don't get hit twice, but then again I can't be the first goodie to die either... personally if we can do it I would rather not lynch anyone today until we can get more info.


OK... So let's lynch you...

Wtf


I guess you're not following along. He claimed immunity and not wanting to lynch a goodie. Then lynching him should be the move. If we lynch a goodie he's lost his immunity. If we lynch him he won't die... Unless he's lying.

Yeah I understood after I read a few more posts. Thanks.



Machina
So... why are you still voting Majes tho?

Posted by: Insaner Feb 6 2018, 04:36 PM
QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 08:35 PM)
Insaner since you're in charge, can we lynch/pressure Bob.

This action would please me, yes.

Posted by: Hirkala Feb 6 2018, 04:37 PM
QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 02:29 PM)
Hirkala

*maurice wonders what happens if the baddies attempt 2 kills N2, one of them on the dragondude. If order matters please answer for both sequences.


A successful RID and a NK would both go off. Order would not matter.

Posted by: Boquise Feb 6 2018, 04:37 PM
I am all for omgus'ing Bar- I mean bob!

vote bob

Posted by: Majeswandar Feb 6 2018, 04:38 PM
However without more info I can't really give a good lead, with 4 baddies 1 dragon and 10 goodies (8 to choose from) there is a higher chance of me getting a goodie than a baddie. Make that 7, I think I know who mo is now based on his save.
Machine pointed out a flaw in my not dieing ability which tells me he probably isn't alduin or maybe even a baddy unless he was pointing out that flaw to alduin.
SH and takari have been quite which is unusual for AN unless he has been super busy like the star trek game.
If araver was bad I would think they would be more aggressive.


So I guess my best bet is SH due to the fact he voted on mo right off the bat. There is only 3 people that can save and 2 people that can straight kill. So I guess I'm voting sparrowhawk unless something chnages

Posted by: maurice Feb 6 2018, 04:41 PM
QUOTE (Hirkala @ Feb 6 2018, 02:37 PM)
QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 02:29 PM)
Hirkala

*maurice wonders what happens if the baddies attempt 2 kills N2, one of them on the dragondude. If order matters please answer for both sequences.


A successful RID and a NK would both go off. Order would not matter.



Majeswandar et al.

Please note this means majes can be killed N2 unless he is saved/trapped.

Good thing ol' mo is around to thwart baddie plans.

Oh and I vote bob

Posted by: Takari Feb 6 2018, 04:43 PM
QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 02:41 PM)
QUOTE (Hirkala @ Feb 6 2018, 02:37 PM)
QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 02:29 PM)
Hirkala

*maurice wonders what happens if the baddies attempt 2 kills N2, one of them on the dragondude. If order matters please answer for both sequences.


A successful RID and a NK would both go off. Order would not matter.



Majeswandar et al.

Please note this means majes can be killed N2 unless he is saved/trapped.

Good thing ol' mo is around to thwart baddie plans.

Oh and I vote bob

Wait, why Bob? Did I miss something??

Posted by: Majeswandar Feb 6 2018, 04:44 PM
QUOTE (Takari @ Feb 6 2018, 08:43 PM)
QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 02:41 PM)
QUOTE (Hirkala @ Feb 6 2018, 02:37 PM)
QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 02:29 PM)
Hirkala

*maurice wonders what happens if the baddies attempt 2 kills N2, one of them on the dragondude. If order matters please answer for both sequences.


A successful RID and a NK would both go off. Order would not matter.



Majeswandar et al.

Please note this means majes can be killed N2 unless he is saved/trapped.

Good thing ol' mo is around to thwart baddie plans.

Oh and I vote bob

Wait, why Bob? Did I miss something??

Yeah I'm confused here as well
Thanks for the question mo, at least we all know now lol

Posted by: Machina Feb 6 2018, 04:45 PM
QUOTE (Boquise @ Feb 6 2018, 03:36 PM[user=1308,7)
Machina[/user]
So... why are you still voting Majes tho?



I'm not? Someone fudged the roster, my vote should be on Araver.

But I'm moving it to Bob

Nothing to be gained by leaving a pressure vote on someone who isn't around, so let's throw it at someone who's demonstrated they're watching, at least to some degree.

QUOTE (Insaner @ Feb 6 2018, 03:34 PM)
QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 6 2018, 08:28 PM)
QUOTE (Hachi @ Feb 6 2018, 03:17 PM)
That's fair but your insistence to push that lynch with incomplete information is sketchy as best is all I'm sayin


Yeah, I'll admit I didn't really think that through.
Although I think this can be salvaged. We also have a lookout spy to deter Alduin from RIDing Majes.
Actually, the game almost seems built around letting the dragonborn out, now that I stop to think about it.
Now Lydia can RID him and gain BTSC, Vignar can privately reveal themselves...
Lookout spy can watch him and find out who Lydia and the messenger are if he isn't killed, or possibly catch a killer ballsy enough to go after him.

Majeswandar you're actually all set to lead at this point, honestly. I suggest you lead the lynch rather than abstain, as your vote is practically a guaranteed goodie vote now.

Right, and I am his town spy! Which means that my vote is just as reliable as his is.

Majeswandar you can go now. I will handle things from here on out http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/yes.gif


Indeed.
We essentially have 2 nigh-confirmed goodies D1 with no dead players and one of the goodies immune so long as we hang a baddie. This couldn't be better TBH.
...Or I'm missing something really obvious, again. I thought Amber III was supposed to be the super-complicated game.

Posted by: maurice Feb 6 2018, 04:46 PM
QUOTE (Takari @ Feb 6 2018, 02:43 PM)
QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 02:41 PM)
QUOTE (Hirkala @ Feb 6 2018, 02:37 PM)
QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 02:29 PM)
Hirkala

*maurice wonders what happens if the baddies attempt 2 kills N2, one of them on the dragondude. If order matters please answer for both sequences.


A successful RID and a NK would both go off. Order would not matter.



Majeswandar et al.

Please note this means majes can be killed N2 unless he is saved/trapped.

Good thing ol' mo is around to thwart baddie plans.

Oh and I vote bob

Wait, why Bob? Did I miss something??


Why not?

You have something against lynching Bob?

Feeling guilty because it was YOUR idea to kill me and he's going to take the noose for it?

user posted image

Posted by: Insaner Feb 6 2018, 04:47 PM
QUOTE (Takari @ Feb 6 2018, 08:43 PM)
QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 02:41 PM)
QUOTE (Hirkala @ Feb 6 2018, 02:37 PM)
QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 02:29 PM)
Hirkala

*maurice wonders what happens if the baddies attempt 2 kills N2, one of them on the dragondude. If order matters please answer for both sequences.


A successful RID and a NK would both go off. Order would not matter.



Majeswandar et al.

Please note this means majes can be killed N2 unless he is saved/trapped.

Good thing ol' mo is around to thwart baddie plans.

Oh and I vote bob

Wait, why Bob? Did I miss something??

Nothing to be missed. He barely posted.

Posted by: sparrowhawk Feb 6 2018, 04:47 PM
QUOTE (Majeswandar @ Feb 6 2018, 12:38 PM)
However without more info I can't really give a good lead, with 4 baddies 1 dragon and 10 goodies (8 to choose from) there is a higher chance of me getting a goodie than a baddie. Make that 7, I think I know who mo is now based on his save.
Machine pointed out a flaw in my not dieing ability which tells me he probably isn't alduin or maybe even a baddy unless he was pointing out that flaw to alduin.
SH and takari have been quite which is unusual for AN unless he has been super busy like the star trek game.
If araver was bad I would think they would be more aggressive.


So I guess my best bet is SH due to the fact he voted on mo right off the bat. There is only 3 people that can save and 2 people that can straight kill.  So I guess I'm voting sparrowhawk unless something chnages

I did say I was shaking the tree. I just may not have been entirely forthcoming about which tree I was shaking. I wanted to see who jumped on the Indy-mo bandwagon to try to expose the most likely baddies. It seems they were smart enough nor to take the bait directly, but instead are just trying to use it as an excuse to "bus" me.

I need to reread machina's posts to try to finagle his alignment. In the meantime I do want to pressure Bob as he's been too quiet.

Vote Bob

Posted by: Majeswandar Feb 6 2018, 04:47 PM
The simplicity of it can be deceiving.

Posted by: maurice Feb 6 2018, 04:49 PM
@sh I so can see ot, boq, plas and araver as baddies... Especially the way this day has unfolded...

Posted by: Takari Feb 6 2018, 04:49 PM
QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 02:46 PM)
QUOTE (Takari @ Feb 6 2018, 02:43 PM)
QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 02:41 PM)
QUOTE (Hirkala @ Feb 6 2018, 02:37 PM)
QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 02:29 PM)
Hirkala

*maurice wonders what happens if the baddies attempt 2 kills N2, one of them on the dragondude. If order matters please answer for both sequences.


A successful RID and a NK would both go off. Order would not matter.



Majeswandar et al.

Please note this means majes can be killed N2 unless he is saved/trapped.

Good thing ol' mo is around to thwart baddie plans.

Oh and I vote bob

Wait, why Bob? Did I miss something??


Why not?

You have something against lynching Bob?

Feeling guilty because it was YOUR idea to kill me and he's going to take the noose for it?

user posted image

I haven't said anything about you... My vote is on Machina... Now I'm even more confused...

Posted by: Insaner Feb 6 2018, 04:50 PM
QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 6 2018, 08:45 PM)
QUOTE (Boquise @ Feb 6 2018, 03:36 PM[user=1308,7)
Machina[/user]
So... why are you still voting Majes tho?



I'm not? Someone fudged the roster, my vote should be on Araver.

But I'm moving it to Bob

Nothing to be gained by leaving a pressure vote on someone who isn't around, so let's throw it at someone who's demonstrated they're watching, at least to some degree.

QUOTE (Insaner @ Feb 6 2018, 03:34 PM)
QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 6 2018, 08:28 PM)
QUOTE (Hachi @ Feb 6 2018, 03:17 PM)
That's fair but your insistence to push that lynch with incomplete information is sketchy as best is all I'm sayin


Yeah, I'll admit I didn't really think that through.
Although I think this can be salvaged. We also have a lookout spy to deter Alduin from RIDing Majes.
Actually, the game almost seems built around letting the dragonborn out, now that I stop to think about it.
Now Lydia can RID him and gain BTSC, Vignar can privately reveal themselves...
Lookout spy can watch him and find out who Lydia and the messenger are if he isn't killed, or possibly catch a killer ballsy enough to go after him.

Majeswandar you're actually all set to lead at this point, honestly. I suggest you lead the lynch rather than abstain, as your vote is practically a guaranteed goodie vote now.

Right, and I am his town spy! Which means that my vote is just as reliable as his is.

Majeswandar you can go now. I will handle things from here on out http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/yes.gif


Indeed.
We essentially have 2 nigh-confirmed goodies D1 with no dead players and one of the goodies immune so long as we hang a baddie. This couldn't be better TBH.
...Or I'm missing something really obvious, again. I thought Amber III was supposed to be the super-complicated game.

This isn't much of a change from one inactive to another.

Just say you are self presing jesus.

When you addressed Majes about him taking lead it really looked like you didn't want ME to lead and I'm the one leading the lynch on you. I think that if you were a goodie you would address me directly and try to convince me you are good rather than try to take away my power to lynch you.

Posted by: Boquise Feb 6 2018, 04:51 PM
QUOTE (sparrowhawk @ Feb 6 2018, 09:47 PM)
QUOTE (Majeswandar @ Feb 6 2018, 12:38 PM)
However without more info I can't really give a good lead, with 4 baddies 1 dragon and 10 goodies (8 to choose from) there is a higher chance of me getting a goodie than a baddie. Make that 7, I think I know who mo is now based on his save.
Machine pointed out a flaw in my not dieing ability which tells me he probably isn't alduin or maybe even a baddy unless he was pointing out that flaw to alduin.
SH and takari have been quite which is unusual for AN unless he has been super busy like the star trek game.
If araver was bad I would think they would be more aggressive.


So I guess my best bet is SH due to the fact he voted on mo right off the bat. There is only 3 people that can save and 2 people that can straight kill.  So I guess I'm voting sparrowhawk unless something chnages

I did say I was shaking the tree. I just may not have been entirely forthcoming about which tree I was shaking. I wanted to see who jumped on the Indy-mo bandwagon to try to expose the most likely baddies. It seems they were smart enough nor to take the bait directly, but instead are just trying to use it as an excuse to "bus" me.

I need to reread machina's posts to try to finagle his alignment. In the meantime I do want to pressure Bob as he's been too quiet.

Vote Bob

Some ol' backtracking and shade on the side comin' straight up!

Posted by: Takari Feb 6 2018, 04:52 PM
QUOTE (Insaner @ Feb 6 2018, 02:50 PM)
QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 6 2018, 08:45 PM)
QUOTE (Boquise @ Feb 6 2018, 03:36 PM[user=1308,7)
Machina[/user]
So... why are you still voting Majes tho?



I'm not? Someone fudged the roster, my vote should be on Araver.

But I'm moving it to Bob

Nothing to be gained by leaving a pressure vote on someone who isn't around, so let's throw it at someone who's demonstrated they're watching, at least to some degree.

QUOTE (Insaner @ Feb 6 2018, 03:34 PM)
QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 6 2018, 08:28 PM)
QUOTE (Hachi @ Feb 6 2018, 03:17 PM)
That's fair but your insistence to push that lynch with incomplete information is sketchy as best is all I'm sayin


Yeah, I'll admit I didn't really think that through.
Although I think this can be salvaged. We also have a lookout spy to deter Alduin from RIDing Majes.
Actually, the game almost seems built around letting the dragonborn out, now that I stop to think about it.
Now Lydia can RID him and gain BTSC, Vignar can privately reveal themselves...
Lookout spy can watch him and find out who Lydia and the messenger are if he isn't killed, or possibly catch a killer ballsy enough to go after him.

Majeswandar you're actually all set to lead at this point, honestly. I suggest you lead the lynch rather than abstain, as your vote is practically a guaranteed goodie vote now.

Right, and I am his town spy! Which means that my vote is just as reliable as his is.

Majeswandar you can go now. I will handle things from here on out http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/yes.gif


Indeed.
We essentially have 2 nigh-confirmed goodies D1 with no dead players and one of the goodies immune so long as we hang a baddie. This couldn't be better TBH.
...Or I'm missing something really obvious, again. I thought Amber III was supposed to be the super-complicated game.

This isn't much of a change from one inactive to another.

Just say you are self presing jesus.

When you addressed Majes about him taking lead it really looked like you didn't want ME to lead and I'm the one leading the lynch on you. I think that if you were a goodie you would address me directly and try to convince me you are good rather than try to take away my power to lynch you.

Why are you leading??

Posted by: Majeswandar Feb 6 2018, 04:52 PM
QUOTE (Takari @ Feb 6 2018, 08:49 PM)
QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 02:46 PM)
QUOTE (Takari @ Feb 6 2018, 02:43 PM)
QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 02:41 PM)
QUOTE (Hirkala @ Feb 6 2018, 02:37 PM)
QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 02:29 PM)
Hirkala

*maurice wonders what happens if the baddies attempt 2 kills N2, one of them on the dragondude. If order matters please answer for both sequences.


A successful RID and a NK would both go off. Order would not matter.



Majeswandar et al.

Please note this means majes can be killed N2 unless he is saved/trapped.

Good thing ol' mo is around to thwart baddie plans.

Oh and I vote bob

Wait, why Bob? Did I miss something??


Why not?

You have something against lynching Bob?

Feeling guilty because it was YOUR idea to kill me and he's going to take the noose for it?

user posted image

I haven't said anything about you... My vote is on Machina... Now I'm even more confused...

Might have been directed at me, I just want to make sure that we are not lynching a goodie. But if it's just pressure then I don't see a problem with it. Either bob will defend himself or dance.

Posted by: Insaner Feb 6 2018, 04:56 PM
QUOTE (Takari @ Feb 6 2018, 08:52 PM)
QUOTE (Insaner @ Feb 6 2018, 02:50 PM)
QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 6 2018, 08:45 PM)
QUOTE (Boquise @ Feb 6 2018, 03:36 PM[user=1308,7)
Machina[/user]
So... why are you still voting Majes tho?



I'm not? Someone fudged the roster, my vote should be on Araver.

But I'm moving it to Bob

Nothing to be gained by leaving a pressure vote on someone who isn't around, so let's throw it at someone who's demonstrated they're watching, at least to some degree.

QUOTE (Insaner @ Feb 6 2018, 03:34 PM)
QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 6 2018, 08:28 PM)
QUOTE (Hachi @ Feb 6 2018, 03:17 PM)
That's fair but your insistence to push that lynch with incomplete information is sketchy as best is all I'm sayin


Yeah, I'll admit I didn't really think that through.
Although I think this can be salvaged. We also have a lookout spy to deter Alduin from RIDing Majes.
Actually, the game almost seems built around letting the dragonborn out, now that I stop to think about it.
Now Lydia can RID him and gain BTSC, Vignar can privately reveal themselves...
Lookout spy can watch him and find out who Lydia and the messenger are if he isn't killed, or possibly catch a killer ballsy enough to go after him.

Majeswandar you're actually all set to lead at this point, honestly. I suggest you lead the lynch rather than abstain, as your vote is practically a guaranteed goodie vote now.

Right, and I am his town spy! Which means that my vote is just as reliable as his is.

Majeswandar you can go now. I will handle things from here on out http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/yes.gif


Indeed.
We essentially have 2 nigh-confirmed goodies D1 with no dead players and one of the goodies immune so long as we hang a baddie. This couldn't be better TBH.
...Or I'm missing something really obvious, again. I thought Amber III was supposed to be the super-complicated game.

This isn't much of a change from one inactive to another.

Just say you are self presing jesus.

When you addressed Majes about him taking lead it really looked like you didn't want ME to lead and I'm the one leading the lynch on you. I think that if you were a goodie you would address me directly and try to convince me you are good rather than try to take away my power to lynch you.

Why are you leading??

I was town cleared by Majes and so it is my responsibility to lead the people of Skyrim to peace and prosperity.

Posted by: maurice Feb 6 2018, 04:58 PM
QUOTE (Majeswandar @ Feb 6 2018, 02:52 PM)
QUOTE (Takari @ Feb 6 2018, 08:49 PM)
QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 02:46 PM)
QUOTE (Takari @ Feb 6 2018, 02:43 PM)
QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 02:41 PM)
QUOTE (Hirkala @ Feb 6 2018, 02:37 PM)
QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 02:29 PM)
Hirkala

*maurice wonders what happens if the baddies attempt 2 kills N2, one of them on the dragondude. If order matters please answer for both sequences.


A successful RID and a NK would both go off. Order would not matter.



Majeswandar et al.

Please note this means majes can be killed N2 unless he is saved/trapped.

Good thing ol' mo is around to thwart baddie plans.

Oh and I vote bob

Wait, why Bob? Did I miss something??


Why not?

You have something against lynching Bob?

Feeling guilty because it was YOUR idea to kill me and he's going to take the noose for it?

user posted image

I haven't said anything about you... My vote is on Machina... Now I'm even more confused...

Might have been directed at me, I just want to make sure that we are not lynching a goodie. But if it's just pressure then I don't see a problem with it. Either bob will defend himself or dance.


I was implying that takari and Bob are bad and that takari made the decision to try to kill me but Bob is going to get lynched for it so she feels guilty. I was trying to get a reaction which I didn't seem to get one of. But my initial question still is valid. Why not Bob? She seemed a bit too adamant about not wanting to vote him or Lynch him or even pressure him

Posted by: Machina Feb 6 2018, 04:59 PM
QUOTE (Insaner @ Feb 6 2018, 03:50 PM)
QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 6 2018, 08:45 PM)
QUOTE (Boquise @ Feb 6 2018, 03:36 PM[user=1308,7)
Machina[/user]
So... why are you still voting Majes tho?



I'm not? Someone fudged the roster, my vote should be on Araver.

But I'm moving it to Bob

Nothing to be gained by leaving a pressure vote on someone who isn't around, so let's throw it at someone who's demonstrated they're watching, at least to some degree.

QUOTE (Insaner @ Feb 6 2018, 03:34 PM)
QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 6 2018, 08:28 PM)
QUOTE (Hachi @ Feb 6 2018, 03:17 PM)
That's fair but your insistence to push that lynch with incomplete information is sketchy as best is all I'm sayin


Yeah, I'll admit I didn't really think that through.
Although I think this can be salvaged. We also have a lookout spy to deter Alduin from RIDing Majes.
Actually, the game almost seems built around letting the dragonborn out, now that I stop to think about it.
Now Lydia can RID him and gain BTSC, Vignar can privately reveal themselves...
Lookout spy can watch him and find out who Lydia and the messenger are if he isn't killed, or possibly catch a killer ballsy enough to go after him.

Majeswandar you're actually all set to lead at this point, honestly. I suggest you lead the lynch rather than abstain, as your vote is practically a guaranteed goodie vote now.

Right, and I am his town spy! Which means that my vote is just as reliable as his is.

Majeswandar you can go now. I will handle things from here on out http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/yes.gif


Indeed.
We essentially have 2 nigh-confirmed goodies D1 with no dead players and one of the goodies immune so long as we hang a baddie. This couldn't be better TBH.
...Or I'm missing something really obvious, again. I thought Amber III was supposed to be the super-complicated game.

This isn't much of a change from one inactive to another.

Just say you are self presing jesus.

When you addressed Majes about him taking lead it really looked like you didn't want ME to lead and I'm the one leading the lynch on you. I think that if you were a goodie you would address me directly and try to convince me you are good rather than try to take away my power to lynch you.


Bob has actually posted though, while I don't think Araver has.

As for your position It was actually just an oversight, to tell the truth. Though I can't blame you for being suspicious, given how much I've flip-flopped around even in just the last few hours.
You're also in a fine position to lead, I have no objections. Though I'd prefer not to be lynched unless my continued existence is distracting town from getting anything done.
But I don't want Majes sitting back and doing nothing now that he's mostly confirmed, as I've seen some players in other mafia-style games do. (and as his abstain seemed to suggest he was doing)

Posted by: Majeswandar Feb 6 2018, 05:00 PM
QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 08:58 PM)
QUOTE (Majeswandar @ Feb 6 2018, 02:52 PM)
QUOTE (Takari @ Feb 6 2018, 08:49 PM)
QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 02:46 PM)
QUOTE (Takari @ Feb 6 2018, 02:43 PM)
QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 02:41 PM)
QUOTE (Hirkala @ Feb 6 2018, 02:37 PM)
QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 02:29 PM)
Hirkala

*maurice wonders what happens if the baddies attempt 2 kills N2, one of them on the dragondude. If order matters please answer for both sequences.


A successful RID and a NK would both go off. Order would not matter.



Majeswandar et al.

Please note this means majes can be killed N2 unless he is saved/trapped.

Good thing ol' mo is around to thwart baddie plans.

Oh and I vote bob

Wait, why Bob? Did I miss something??


Why not?

You have something against lynching Bob?

Feeling guilty because it was YOUR idea to kill me and he's going to take the noose for it?

user posted image

I haven't said anything about you... My vote is on Machina... Now I'm even more confused...

Might have been directed at me, I just want to make sure that we are not lynching a goodie. But if it's just pressure then I don't see a problem with it. Either bob will defend himself or dance.


I was implying that takari and Bob are bad and that takari made the decision to try to kill me but Bob is going to get lynched for it so she feels guilty. I was trying to get a reaction which I didn't seem to get one of. But my initial question still is valid. Why not Bob? She seemed a bit too adamant about not wanting to vote him or Lynch him or even pressure him

That is a good point mo, takari do you know something we dont?

Posted by: Insaner Feb 6 2018, 05:00 PM
Akatosh: Hirkala
1. Takari - voting for Machina
2. sparrowhawk - voting for bob
3. Machina - voting for bob
4. Hachi - voting for Machina
5. Bob - voting for Boq
6. Marq
7. onetruth - voting for sparrowhawk
8. Boquise - voting for bob
9. Framm - voting for Majes
10. Majes- abstaining
11. .113 - voting for Majes
12. plasmid - voting for sparrowhawk
13. Araver - voting for sparrowhawk
14. Insaner - voting for Machina
15. maurice - voting for bob

I think this is accurate.

Posted by: .113 Feb 6 2018, 05:02 PM
Quit work just now, soon home, will change vote and post a little then but Ive got work again in a few more hours so not much.

Did marq do something? I dont remember seeing anything

Posted by: maurice Feb 6 2018, 05:05 PM
Hirkala

*maurice wonders what happens in a tie vote

Posted by: maurice Feb 6 2018, 05:05 PM
Though with that vote redirect a tie vote will be hard to pull off

Posted by: Takari Feb 6 2018, 05:07 PM
QUOTE (Majeswandar @ Feb 6 2018, 03:00 PM)
QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 08:58 PM)
QUOTE (Majeswandar @ Feb 6 2018, 02:52 PM)
QUOTE (Takari @ Feb 6 2018, 08:49 PM)
QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 02:46 PM)
QUOTE (Takari @ Feb 6 2018, 02:43 PM)
QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 02:41 PM)
QUOTE (Hirkala @ Feb 6 2018, 02:37 PM)
QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 02:29 PM)
Hirkala

*maurice wonders what happens if the baddies attempt 2 kills N2, one of them on the dragondude. If order matters please answer for both sequences.


A successful RID and a NK would both go off. Order would not matter.



Majeswandar et al.

Please note this means majes can be killed N2 unless he is saved/trapped.

Good thing ol' mo is around to thwart baddie plans.

Oh and I vote bob

Wait, why Bob? Did I miss something??


Why not?

You have something against lynching Bob?

Feeling guilty because it was YOUR idea to kill me and he's going to take the noose for it?

user posted image

I haven't said anything about you... My vote is on Machina... Now I'm even more confused...

Might have been directed at me, I just want to make sure that we are not lynching a goodie. But if it's just pressure then I don't see a problem with it. Either bob will defend himself or dance.


I was implying that takari and Bob are bad and that takari made the decision to try to kill me but Bob is going to get lynched for it so she feels guilty. I was trying to get a reaction which I didn't seem to get one of. But my initial question still is valid. Why not Bob? She seemed a bit too adamant about not wanting to vote him or Lynch him or even pressure him

That is a good point mo, takari do you know something we dont?

Quite the opposite... I feel like everyone else knows something I don't... I didn't say anything to or about Mo so I'm not sure why he's poking me so hard or at all, and I'm voting for Bob because I don't want someone to get lynched for no reason where as I don't have a good feeling about Machine...!!!!

Posted by: Insaner Feb 6 2018, 05:10 PM
Machina I don't want to lynch you.

That said, I am yet to see a valid reason not to.

So far your contribution to this game was limited to:

- theory talk, which is easy to fake as a baddie (and a lot of which I didn't agree with, but whatever)

- push/vote on araver, based on the assumption that the baddies wouldn't want to block a goodie or whatever. Your explanation of it was sketchy and you backed out of it in the end

-bandwagoning majes and bob. I didn't like your vote on Majes especially because you seemed to have an opinion on him, then, after 3 people voted him, you realised that your opinion was based on something invalid and didn't actually give him any goodie cred... But you didn't say why you thought he was BAD either. You just went with the flow.

Edit: it's true that most people contributed even less than you did. But it's one thing to straight up lurk, and another to post a lot and still not seemingly do all that much.

Posted by: Insaner Feb 6 2018, 05:11 PM
QUOTE (.113 @ Feb 6 2018, 09:02 PM)
Quit work just now, soon home, will change vote and post a little then but Ive got work again in a few more hours so not much.

Did marq do something? I dont remember seeing anything

She popped in, made a few comments about people not acting as usual, and left.

Posted by: maurice Feb 6 2018, 05:14 PM
Takari

You did talk to me. You asked why Bob... To me... Directly.

I'm a bit sensitive that someone tried to axe me. I also didn't understand why you asked "why Bob", so I replied, why not?

Now the way my paranoid mind works, the more defensive you get the more sus I get of you.

Posted by: Insaner Feb 6 2018, 05:17 PM
QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 6 2018, 07:31 PM)

As for the wagons on SH and Majes, maybe I'm missing something? SH I don't really read strongly either way currently, and if I'm picking up on what Majes is implying correctly...well, I'd rather not say, but I thought it was obvious.
Though on second thought, it doesn't actually make him any more likely to be goodie.

Anything to say for yourself Majeswandar? Particularly about what happened to you last night?

Given the current voting patterns though, if one of Majes or SH flips baddie I think the other has some explaining to do.

For reference, this is what I am talking about.

Posted by: Takari Feb 6 2018, 05:18 PM
QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 03:14 PM)
Takari

You did talk to me.  You asked why Bob... To me... Directly.

I'm a bit sensitive that someone tried to axe me.  I also didn't understand why you asked "why Bob", so I replied, why not?

Now the way my paranoid mind works, the more defensive you get the more sus I get of you.
Well I was actually asking anyone voting for Bob it just happens that I quoted you. You shouldn't be suspious of me, I can't do any harm

Posted by: maurice Feb 6 2018, 05:18 PM
QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 03:14 PM)
Takari

You did talk to me.  You asked why Bob... To me... Directly.

I'm a bit sensitive that someone tried to axe me.  I also didn't understand why you asked "why Bob", so I replied, why not?

Now the way my paranoid mind works, the more defensive you get the more sus I get of you.


Though it's not obvious that was supposed to be sort of an apology for my aggression

Posted by: Takari Feb 6 2018, 05:19 PM
QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 03:18 PM)
QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 03:14 PM)
Takari

You did talk to me.  You asked why Bob... To me... Directly.

I'm a bit sensitive that someone tried to axe me.  I also didn't understand why you asked "why Bob", so I replied, why not?

Now the way my paranoid mind works, the more defensive you get the more sus I get of you.


Though it's not obvious that was supposed to be sort of an apology for my aggression

Oh, well thank you, apology accepted http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/lol.gif

Posted by: Insaner Feb 6 2018, 05:20 PM
Idk guys Machina is awkward af in this game http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/headbang.gif

Help me

Posted by: maurice Feb 6 2018, 05:22 PM
QUOTE (Insaner @ Feb 6 2018, 03:20 PM)
Idk guys Machina is awkward af in this game http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/headbang.gif

Help me


We are all a bit awkward. Did you see my attempt at an apology just now?

Posted by: Insaner Feb 6 2018, 05:23 PM
QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 09:22 PM)
QUOTE (Insaner @ Feb 6 2018, 03:20 PM)
Idk guys Machina is awkward af in this game http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/headbang.gif

Help me


We are all a bit awkward. Did you see my attempt at an apology just now?

I don't think you were being awkward.

Posted by: Insaner Feb 6 2018, 05:25 PM
By awkward I meant that Machina is being apologetic af.

Posted by: Machina Feb 6 2018, 05:26 PM
QUOTE (Insaner @ Feb 6 2018, 04:10 PM)
Machina I don't want to lynch you.

That said, I am yet to see a valid reason not to.

So far your contribution to this game was limited to:

- theory talk, which is easy to fake as a baddie (and a lot of which I didn't agree with, but whatever)

- push/vote on araver, based on the assumption that the baddies wouldn't want to block a goodie or whatever. Your explanation of it was sketchy and you backed out of it in the end

-bandwagoning majes and bob. I didn't like your vote on Majes especially because you seemed to have an opinion on him, then, after 3 people voted him, you realised that your opinion was based on something invalid and didn't actually give him any goodie cred... But you didn't say why you thought he was BAD either. You just went with the flow.


You're right, I absolutely did sheepvote there, as I stated myself several posts ago. I've been having trouble keeping up with this game and allowed myself to just jump on a bandwagon without really thinking it through, because my pressure vote on Araver at the time was seemingly going nowhere.
The variables I'm working with this game keep changing so rapidly, or I've discovered I was misunderstanding them, and it's making it hard to keep up and do more than throw around accusations with whatever reasoning I can cook up to see how people react.
I guess I could just shut up, but that's just not how I prefer to do things. I want to be actively gathering information, as IMO that's foundational to good town play in all mafia games.

Posted by: maurice Feb 6 2018, 05:29 PM
Insaner

You want to lynch Machina?

I couldn't /didn't follow your reasoning. I know I agreed with him early on that araver isnt cleared because he was baddie blocked. I too was voting Majes cuz he seemed off until he outed. You don't like that the substance of his posts has been mostly around game theory. Am I missing anything?

My thing is this... He's given something. We can always use it later to prove he's bad. If he is bad then we still need to pull 3 others. So let's start that process now. I'd rather pressure info out of people early risking a mislynch there, then lynching people who are contributing and whose info can help us lynch/kill them later if they're bad.

Posted by: maurice Feb 6 2018, 05:34 PM
I hear you Insaner...

This just feels like one of those Day 1s where the baddies are mostly sitting back quietly. But they're could ve one pot-stirrer in here.

Posted by: onetruth Feb 6 2018, 05:38 PM
Lots of talking. I didn't finish reading everything but saw I was tagged in a post. I have to wrap up work and mom for a few. I'll try to get back on to respond in the next 1-1.5 hours.

Posted by: Insaner Feb 6 2018, 05:40 PM
QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 09:29 PM)
Insaner

You want to lynch Machina?

I couldn't /didn't follow your reasoning.  I know I agreed with him early on that araver isnt cleared because he was baddie blocked.  I too was voting Majes cuz he seemed off until he outed.  You don't like that the substance of his posts has been mostly around game theory. Am I missing anything?

My thing is this... He's given something.  We can always use it later to prove he's bad.  If he is bad then we still need to pull 3 others. So let's start that process now. I'd rather pressure info out of people early risking a mislynch there, then lynching people who are contributing and whose info can help us lynch/kill them later if they're bad.

I don't like what Machina has given.

-I didn't like his araver vote. I think that araver is mostly cleared from being a baddie and Machina tried to disprove it. A baddie wouldn't want a lot of cleared goodies early on.

-I hated his Majes vote. He jumped on one of the hottest wagons without any reason, whatsoever, other than that he didn't want to vote SH =/

Posted by: Insaner Feb 6 2018, 05:41 PM
QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 09:34 PM)
I hear you Insaner...

This just feels like one of those Day 1s where the baddies are mostly sitting back quietly.  But they're could ve one pot-stirrer in here.

Well, maybe you are right http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/idk.gif Doesn't seem like there has been much pushback against his lynch. Then again it's not over yet http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/idk.gif

Machina How about you bring us a baddie. A fat one.

Posted by: Insaner Feb 6 2018, 05:43 PM
Boq is lurking.

Posted by: araver Feb 6 2018, 05:48 PM
Much to read and reply, but Machina first:

QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 6 2018, 10:09 AM)
But since I'm not 100% sold on Alduin attempting an RID kill over a trap, (as knowing 1 RID that 1 out of 14 players is NOT is less useful than knowing if someone is a goodie or baddie IMO) I want to hear something out of you, araver
So have a pressure vote.

Vote: Araver


I obviously have gained nothing after N1 as I was blocked.

Reading the NP was instructive though as I said.

QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 6 2018, 08:52 PM)
QUOTE (Insaner @ Feb 6 2018, 01:43 PM)
QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 6 2018, 05:47 PM)
QUOTE (Insaner @ Feb 6 2018, 03:41 AM)
QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 6 2018, 08:31 AM)

All the more reason to hear something out of him TBH.
Though, why exactly are the baddies blocking indiscriminately with public blocks and a lookout spy? Trading one-for-one by outing to kill the baddie block would almost be worth it if they catch them in the act.

I don't understand what your point is here. Lookout spy is as likely to catch a baddie self block as he is to catch a block against anyone else.


Exactly. I'm just confused as to why a block was thrown out at all.


?? This didn't answer my question then?


I don't think random blocking for no reason is in the baddies interests with a lookout spy.
So I assume that either:
A, that was a baddie self-block
B, that was supposed to look like a baddie self block (and it may have hit Alduin)

So I want to hear from Araver.

I would argue both points.
1. Self-blocking as a baddie or blocking another baddie makes sense only in a game where blocks appear in the NP and there are no follow/target spies and the NK is carried by someone. A risk if follow/target spies are in the game with very little to gain. So as a baddie I wouldn't do that.
2. I did that while a baddie in the past and played the WiFoM card to show that I am likely town.
3. Someone could do that to me knowing the above 2 from past games.

So, null basically.

However I have 2 points to make after your posts:
1. I did not see a "lookout spy" in the OP so I do not know what you mean. There's a baddie follow spy (sees target of X) and a goodie target spy (sees who targeted x). Have you asked if the NK is carried by someone or do you know so???
2. And I find your questions of the baddie NP block very weird in the context of trying to narrow down maurice's role as well. Do you purposefully want to narrow 2 roles D1 even if both were goodies? Why?

In any case, I do not understand what you want to hear from me since both of the above posts don't actually contain a question ... So I will front some information: had I not been blocked, I would've had an action.

On an unrelated note, sighing deeply at Majes' posts.

Posted by: maurice Feb 6 2018, 05:48 PM
Ok... I can see that.

The hardest thing for me to overcome is I don't like clearing goodies too easily. Araver is not cleared in my book. You, majes are... One other person is... I know I am in my mind, but totally get why sh probed me. So it's hard for me to get behind Machina is bad because he reached into from araver.

Posted by: Hachi Feb 6 2018, 05:50 PM
QUOTE (Boquise @ Feb 6 2018, 03:29 PM)
QUOTE (Hachi @ Feb 6 2018, 08:50 PM)
QUOTE (Boquise @ Feb 6 2018, 12:24 PM)
QUOTE (Hachi @ Feb 6 2018, 05:37 PM)
A. I think we should be focusing on a Mafia lynch. Especially given Indies situation. If a joint win is possible it's basically in their best interest to work with us(In the case that mo is Indy)
B. I greatly dislike the focus on Indies today in the sense that I feel like it's thrown us off a little. I also don't like SH focus similar to how others have brought it up.
C. I also am not a fan of Boq's vote because it feels like he's just tagging along without contributing much...Which is strange since you're usually way more aggressive.
D. No idea what's going on with 113 and majes. They're acting weird but not in they're bad way but in a very confusing way.
E. No one else feels particular standout to me yet either on the rest but I am keeping my eyes open.

I was displeased that onetruth Random voted one of the majority voted peeps since that doesn't look particularly random. But I decided that SH was where I wanted my vote to be regardless of him having three votes and it reflecting bad on me, since his mo stuff and then explanation were scummy to me.

I don't think anyone said what I said about the vote? It was not a naked vote.

Also, I don't have as much time as I like to be my usual active self (which I stated in the signups iirc).*
But, could you tell me why you don't like the SH focus?





*Also, again lol, I am trying to tone down on my aggro after the wild card fiasco. Trying to emulate a calmer style and avoid going hardcore into people. I think that's more enjoyable for everyone


It's not that I dislike the SH focus. It's just usually you're way more agressive maybe that's a "playstyle difference" or something else but, I think it's notable and it's just throwing me off I guess, lmao.

Previously on the Hachinator tbh
"I also don't like SH focus"


Takin' it easy, not stressin' mah reads.


That's fine. I'm insistent on pressuring you yet since you've at least given me some stuff to work with.

Admittedly I botched my words a bit there. I understand the logic on a SH lynch but it the lynch felt sudden and aggressive and your vote didn't feel like it added much

Posted by: sparrowhawk Feb 6 2018, 05:51 PM
QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 01:34 PM)
I hear you Insaner...

This just feels like one of those Day 1s where the baddies are mostly sitting back quietly.  But they're could ve one pot-stirrer in here.

This is a pretty crazy day right now. There's a lot of cross-posting and every time I look there's a half dozen more posts. I'm having trouble keeping track of who's tunneling whom at the moment.

Insaner seems to be on machina pretty hard and I can't tell if it's primarily because majeswander cleared him and the power went to his head or if he's onto something. I still struggle to get a read on machina. The one game where I knew he was bad, I wouldn't have likely suspected him based on his posting. Thus far, this game hasn't been much different.

Posted by: araver Feb 6 2018, 05:52 PM
QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 6 2018, 11:26 PM)
QUOTE (Insaner @ Feb 6 2018, 04:10 PM)
Machina I don't want to lynch you.

That said, I am yet to see a valid reason not to.

So far your contribution to this game was limited to:

- theory talk, which is easy to fake as a baddie (and a lot of which I didn't agree with, but whatever)

- push/vote on araver, based on the assumption that the baddies wouldn't want to block a goodie or whatever. Your explanation of it was sketchy and you backed out of it in the end

-bandwagoning majes and bob. I didn't like your vote on Majes especially because you seemed to have an opinion on him, then, after 3 people voted him, you realised that your opinion was based on something invalid and didn't actually give him any goodie cred... But you didn't say why you thought he was BAD either. You just went with the flow.


You're right, I absolutely did sheepvote there, as I stated myself several posts ago. I've been having trouble keeping up with this game and allowed myself to just jump on a bandwagon without really thinking it through, because my pressure vote on Araver at the time was seemingly going nowhere.
The variables I'm working with this game keep changing so rapidly, or I've discovered I was misunderstanding them, and it's making it hard to keep up and do more than throw around accusations with whatever reasoning I can cook up to see how people react.
I guess I could just shut up, but that's just not how I prefer to do things. I want to be actively gathering information, as IMO that's foundational to good town play in all mafia games.


And after responding to your posts above let me reiterate 2 things:
1. I have voted before you hence I did post. Yeah, my 10 hour workday shift may overlap with your timezone activity.
2. You are not actively gathering info if you try to narrow down the 2 people in the NP. You are actively spilling info if you try to narrow them down.
3. You get very defensive in the last posts including the one kept above.

I don't know your style actually and I still think SH is a worthy target to check out, but now I'm gonna go ... Inigo Montoya.

Posted by: Machina Feb 6 2018, 05:54 PM
QUOTE (Insaner @ Feb 6 2018, 04:40 PM)
QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 09:29 PM)
Insaner

You want to lynch Machina?

I couldn't /didn't follow your reasoning.  I know I agreed with him early on that araver isnt cleared because he was baddie blocked.  I too was voting Majes cuz he seemed off until he outed.  You don't like that the substance of his posts has been mostly around game theory. Am I missing anything?

My thing is this... He's given something.  We can always use it later to prove he's bad.  If he is bad then we still need to pull 3 others. So let's start that process now. I'd rather pressure info out of people early risking a mislynch there, then lynching people who are contributing and whose info can help us lynch/kill them later if they're bad.

I don't like what Machina has given.

-I didn't like his araver vote. I think that araver is mostly cleared from being a baddie and Machina tried to disprove it. A baddie wouldn't want a lot of cleared goodies early on.

-I hated his Majes vote. He jumped on one of the hottest wagons without any reason, whatsoever, other than that he didn't want to vote SH =/


I still stand by the Araver vote. If I were a baddie, one of the first things I would consider is blocking one of my own N1 or N2, or I would withhold the block completely.

As for Majes, we're beating this to death and not going anywhere productive with it. I voted Majes because I wanted to do something other than slap a vote on an inactive and wait. My vote is on Bob right now rather than SH because most of us are in agreement that we want to pressure Bob. If we want to pressure SH instead, or pressure him after deciding Bob looks clean, that's fine and I'll support it, but the more votes someone has on them the higher the pressure, no?
1 random vote sitting on Araver wasn't doing anything. Several votes on Majes forced him to out, and confirmed 2 goodies, so honestly I think it paid off, even if it was arguably a mistake.

QUOTE (Insaner @ Feb 6 2018, 04:41 PM)
QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 09:34 PM)
I hear you Insaner...

This just feels like one of those Day 1s where the baddies are mostly sitting back quietly.  But they're could ve one pot-stirrer in here.

Well, maybe you are right http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/idk.gif Doesn't seem like there has been much pushback against his lynch. Then again it's not over yet http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/idk.gif

Machina How about you bring us a baddie. A fat one.


I'd make a list of my reads, but given how chaotic this game currently is I'm not sure who I'd put where.
You and Majes are almost certainly good, Mo is a possible indy who has reason to work with town, everyone else I have no damn clue.
Lots of people are just "coasting" at the moment, and obviously not all of them can be bad. So I'm just gonna resort to throwing votes around until someone cracks or slips up.
If I can actually keep up with the thread, that is.

Posted by: araver Feb 6 2018, 05:56 PM
QUOTE (sparrowhawk @ Feb 6 2018, 11:51 PM)
QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 01:34 PM)
I hear you Insaner...

This just feels like one of those Day 1s where the baddies are mostly sitting back quietly.  But they're could ve one pot-stirrer in here.

This is a pretty crazy day right now. There's a lot of cross-posting and every time I look there's a half dozen more posts. I'm having trouble keeping track of who's tunneling whom at the moment.

Insaner seems to be on machina pretty hard and I can't tell if it's primarily because majeswander cleared him and the power went to his head or if he's onto something. I still struggle to get a read on machina. The one game where I knew he was bad, I wouldn't have likely suspected him based on his posting. Thus far, this game hasn't been much different.

Please cut the neutral-style-ambiguity for one game at least, I beg you.

You voted the person saved in the NP. Please explain your reasoning.

Further than the Indy hunt "alternative". There are 4 baddies in the game. By which powers from Mary Poppins are baddies going to get extinct?

Posted by: araver Feb 6 2018, 05:57 PM
*araver votes Machina

It's an OMGUS vote as well as a "Inigo Montoya" vote. Since Framm did not want me to use memes from Skyrim http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/shrug.gif

Framm - where you at? Silent Hunter?

Posted by: Framm Feb 6 2018, 05:59 PM
Trying to read this on my phone is http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/headbang.gif with all of the quotes. But remove my vote please. Need to reread, don't like Machine's suggestion on catching a killer acting.

Do Baddies carry the NK, or does it just get carried out anonymously?

Posted by: Insaner Feb 6 2018, 05:59 PM
QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 6 2018, 09:54 PM)
QUOTE (Insaner @ Feb 6 2018, 04:40 PM)
QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 09:29 PM)
Insaner

You want to lynch Machina?

I couldn't /didn't follow your reasoning.  I know I agreed with him early on that araver isnt cleared because he was baddie blocked.  I too was voting Majes cuz he seemed off until he outed.  You don't like that the substance of his posts has been mostly around game theory. Am I missing anything?

My thing is this... He's given something.  We can always use it later to prove he's bad.  If he is bad then we still need to pull 3 others. So let's start that process now. I'd rather pressure info out of people early risking a mislynch there, then lynching people who are contributing and whose info can help us lynch/kill them later if they're bad.

I don't like what Machina has given.

-I didn't like his araver vote. I think that araver is mostly cleared from being a baddie and Machina tried to disprove it. A baddie wouldn't want a lot of cleared goodies early on.

-I hated his Majes vote. He jumped on one of the hottest wagons without any reason, whatsoever, other than that he didn't want to vote SH =/

As for Majes, we're beating this to death and not going anywhere productive with it. I voted Majes because I wanted to do something other than slap a vote on an inactive and wait. My vote is on Bob right now rather than SH because most of us are in agreement that we want to pressure Bob. If we want to pressure SH instead, or pressure him after deciding Bob looks clean, that's fine and I'll support it, but the more votes someone has on them the higher the pressure, no?
1 random vote sitting on Araver wasn't doing anything. Several votes on Majes forced him to out, and confirmed 2 goodies, so honestly I think it paid off, even if it was arguably a mistake.

THAT'S my thing with you. All you are doing is going with the town consensus. You aren't pressuring people. You aren't sharing your reads. You are just blending in.

Also:
QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 6 2018, 09:54 PM)
Several votes on Majes forced him to out, and confirmed 2 goodies, so honestly I think it paid off


Posted by: Framm Feb 6 2018, 06:00 PM
QUOTE (araver @ Feb 6 2018, 04:57 PM)
*araver votes Machina

It's an OMGUS vote as well as a "Inigo Montoya" vote. Since Framm did not want me to use memes from Skyrim http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/shrug.gif

Framm - where you at? Silent Hunter?


I just got off work. 8-4:30 puts a damper on prime baddie catching, but I am in the process of trying to catch people, don't worry about me. http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/wink.gif

Posted by: araver Feb 6 2018, 06:00 PM
QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 6 2018, 11:54 PM)
Several votes on Majes forced him to out, and confirmed 2 goodies, so honestly I think it paid off, even if it was arguably a mistake.

How is that a good thing?

Assume all goodies out D1 and they get confirmed. How does the game progress? How are goodies supposed to win in a game with a NK and 2 RID kills not in goodie hands?
Did you actually do the math?

Posted by: Insaner Feb 6 2018, 06:00 PM
Framm has been sheeping me all game.

Posted by: Insaner Feb 6 2018, 06:03 PM
QUOTE (araver @ Feb 6 2018, 09:56 PM)

By which powers from Mary Poppins are baddies going to get extinct?

http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/XD.gif

Posted by: araver Feb 6 2018, 06:04 PM
QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 11:29 PM)
Insaner

You want to lynch Machina?

I couldn't /didn't follow your reasoning.  I know I agreed with him early on that araver isnt cleared because he was baddie blocked.  I too was voting Majes cuz he seemed off until he outed.  You don't like that the substance of his posts has been mostly around game theory. Am I missing anything?

My thing is this... He's given something.  We can always use it later to prove he's bad.  If he is bad then we still need to pull 3 others. So let's start that process now. I'd rather pressure info out of people early risking a mislynch there, then lynching people who are contributing and whose info can help us lynch/kill them later if they're bad.

You're awfully dancing in circles here, me thinks.
You do say things the "politically correct" way, I'll give you that. But if you have a question, you can always put it with a "@" at me.

Posted by: Framm Feb 6 2018, 06:05 PM
QUOTE (Insaner @ Feb 6 2018, 05:00 PM)
Framm has been sheeping me all game.


Unintentionally, but I didn't like the way Majes posted. Need to do some rereading like I said, but assuming Machina is bad, then we have a start on our hands.

Posted by: Insaner Feb 6 2018, 06:08 PM
sparrowhawk Give me a baddie. Any baddie. I beg of you.

Posted by: maurice Feb 6 2018, 06:11 PM
QUOTE (araver @ Feb 6 2018, 04:04 PM)
QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 11:29 PM)
Insaner

You want to lynch Machina?

I couldn't /didn't follow your reasoning.  I know I agreed with him early on that araver isnt cleared because he was baddie blocked.  I too was voting Majes cuz he seemed off until he outed.  You don't like that the substance of his posts has been mostly around game theory. Am I missing anything?

My thing is this... He's given something.  We can always use it later to prove he's bad.  If he is bad then we still need to pull 3 others. So let's start that process now. I'd rather pressure info out of people early risking a mislynch there, then lynching people who are contributing and whose info can help us lynch/kill them later if they're bad.

You're awfully dancing in circles here, me thinks.
You do say things the "politically correct" way, I'll give you that. But if you have a question, you can always put it with a "@" at me.


??

If I have a question for you, I address you.

Oh and now I'm politically correct?

2 games ago Framm says I'm not funny, now I'm politically correct. http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/cry.gif time to hang up the ol' Mafia holster.

Posted by: Machina Feb 6 2018, 06:12 PM
QUOTE (araver @ Feb 6 2018, 04:48 PM)
Much to read and reply, but Machina first:

I obviously have gained nothing after N1 as I was blocked.

Reading the NP was instructive though as I said.

I would argue both points.
1. Self-blocking as a baddie or blocking another baddie makes sense only in a game where blocks appear in the NP and there are no follow/target spies and the NK is carried by someone. A risk if follow/target spies are in the game with very little to gain. So as a baddie I wouldn't do that.
2. I did that while a baddie in the past and played the WiFoM card to show that I am likely town.
3. Someone could do that to me knowing the above 2 from past games.

So, null basically.

However I have 2 points to make after your posts:
1. I did not see a "lookout spy" in the OP so I do not know what you mean. There's a baddie follow spy (sees target of X) and a goodie target spy (sees who targeted x). Have you asked if the NK is carried by someone or do you know so???
2. And I find your questions of the baddie NP block very weird in the context of trying to narrow down maurice's role as well. Do you purposefully want to narrow 2 roles D1 even if both were goodies? Why?

In any case, I do not understand what you want to hear from me since both of the above posts don't actually contain a question ... So I will front some information: had I not been blocked, I would've had an action.

On an unrelated note, sighing deeply at Majes' posts.


QUOTE (Hirkala @ Feb 4 2018, 02:35 PM)
Stormcloak Soldier - Just your average Stormcloak fighting man.  Good with following orders.  Each night, may watch a player and see who acted on them.  [TARGET SPY]

Maybe "lookout" has a different definition here than I'm used to, but seeing who acts on a player is the definition I'm familiar with.
As for carried NKs, is it not standard here for them to be uncarried?
As I mentioned earlier, I should have separated the baddie block comments from my other stuff, I was just noting I don't understand the benefit of blocking unless they had an expectation to gain something, such as say, "cleaning" one of their own, such as the RID kill that's not going to land anyway.
As for narrowing roles down, I'll admit these den mafia games put me in a weird spot. I'm used to trying to get everyone tied down to a role as quickly as possible, but doing that in public here is detrimental to town. I'm not entirely sure what I'm supposed to be working with here other than vague reads.
But I still consider you far from cleaned.

Posted by: Boquise Feb 6 2018, 06:13 PM
Maje and Insaner are goodies
Maurice is pretty much non-baddie

I read Hachi as goodie
Araver sounds goodie right now

Marq is impossible to read since she lurks/don't post
Framm and 113 not posted enough to make an impact
Same with Bob

Can't decide whether Machina's struggling is goodie or baddie indicative

Plasmid informing me that my first reason for voting SH was preferable than the second and then nothing else weirded me out

Onetruth random voting top wagon is bad

SH sounds scummy still
vote SH
Gonna go to bed so I rather put my vote where I feel surest

Posted by: araver Feb 6 2018, 06:16 PM
QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 7 2018, 12:11 AM)
QUOTE (araver @ Feb 6 2018, 04:04 PM)
QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 11:29 PM)
Insaner

You want to lynch Machina?

I couldn't /didn't follow your reasoning.  I know I agreed with him early on that araver isnt cleared because he was baddie blocked.  I too was voting Majes cuz he seemed off until he outed.  You don't like that the substance of his posts has been mostly around game theory. Am I missing anything?

My thing is this... He's given something.  We can always use it later to prove he's bad.  If he is bad then we still need to pull 3 others. So let's start that process now. I'd rather pressure info out of people early risking a mislynch there, then lynching people who are contributing and whose info can help us lynch/kill them later if they're bad.

You're awfully dancing in circles here, me thinks.
You do say things the "politically correct" way, I'll give you that. But if you have a question, you can always put it with a "@" at me.


??

If I have a question for you, I address you.

Oh and now I'm politically correct?

2 games ago Framm says I'm not funny, now I'm politically correct. http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/cry.gif time to hang up the ol' Mafia holster.

Don't get defensive on me: I was addressing you telling Insaner you agreed with Machina that I wasn't cleared after the NP shows me getting baddie blocked. If you had a question of my "being or not being cleared" you could've asked it or voted me. The fact that you didn't is what I coined being politically correct in this situation.

Thing is, I am tunneling very much on the hypothesis that you are Alduin and that maybe, just maybe, SH was trying to get you under the bus. The baddie BTSC having a follow spy and knowing their roles may give them more info after N1 (even not counting Majes' claim). Thing is, I don't really care at this point so I'm also playing the politically correct card and ignoring the tunnel.

Fair?

Posted by: .113 Feb 6 2018, 06:18 PM
Sorry I'm not used to this site ;( anyone have the vote count available it would be awesome

Posted by: maurice Feb 6 2018, 06:19 PM
QUOTE (Boquise @ Feb 6 2018, 04:13 PM)

Maurice is pretty much non-baddie

I read Hachi as goodie





Pretty much!!?!

I agree about Hachi though http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/thumbsup.gif


Posted by: maurice Feb 6 2018, 06:22 PM
araver

I didn't think you were bad, just didn't find Machina bad for wondering if you were. You pretty much summed up my opinion of the baddie block on you, null. I stated earlier we can't assume you are bad nor not bad based on it. The point of that post wasn't to cast shade on you, it was too see what I'm not seeing in Machina... Im Not defensive, though it seemed you did get so... But whatever.

I just want to lynch me a baddie... Or majes.

Posted by: Machina Feb 6 2018, 06:22 PM
QUOTE (araver @ Feb 6 2018, 05:00 PM)
QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 6 2018, 11:54 PM)
Several votes on Majes forced him to out, and confirmed 2 goodies, so honestly I think it paid off, even if it was arguably a mistake.

How is that a good thing?

Assume all goodies out D1 and they get confirmed. How does the game progress? How are goodies supposed to win in a game with a NK and 2 RID kills not in goodie hands?
Did you actually do the math?


Insaner is confirmed due to confirmed dragonborn goodie spy, but hasn't outed.
Maurice is a possible indy with reason to side town for now, and not a worthwhile target for scum to RID kill
Majes is literally unkillable tonight unless we mislynch a goodie, and also has a save they can use later to WIFoM with baddies. (Except Alduin, but RIDing Majes clearly marks them as not town-aligned.
Additionally Majes is likely going to learn the identity of Lydia tonight, and may know who the messenger is.
This isn't just good, it's great. Even if Majes dies, the momentum gained today cannot be overlooked.


Now, a question I'm not sure of the answer to, is if it's better to vote for SH since we know he's here and will react to pressure votes, or to dump them on Bob to try and force him to pop in and defend himself?
Araver's said enough for now I think, and even though I don't agree with him, it doesn't sound super baddie? But honestly I'm not the best person to judge that, because I will readily admit I am way in over my head here.

Posted by: maurice Feb 6 2018, 06:23 PM
QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 6 2018, 04:22 PM)
QUOTE (araver @ Feb 6 2018, 05:00 PM)
QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 6 2018, 11:54 PM)
Several votes on Majes forced him to out, and confirmed 2 goodies, so honestly I think it paid off, even if it was arguably a mistake.

How is that a good thing?

Assume all goodies out D1 and they get confirmed. How does the game progress? How are goodies supposed to win in a game with a NK and 2 RID kills not in goodie hands?
Did you actually do the math?


Insaner is confirmed due to confirmed dragonborn goodie spy, but hasn't outed.
Maurice is a possible indy with reason to side town for now, and not a worthwhile target for scum to RID kill
Majes is literally unkillable tonight unless we mislynch a goodie, and also has a save they can use later to WIFoM with baddies. (Except Alduin, but RIDing Majes clearly makes them as not town-aligned.
Additionally Majes is likely going to learn the identity of Lydia tonight, and may know who the messenger is.
This isn't just good, it's great. Even if Majes dies, the momentum gained today cannot be overlooked.


Now, a question I'm not sure of the answer to, is if it's better to vote for SH since we know he's here and will react to pressure votes, or to dump them on Bob to try and force him to pop in and defend himself?
Araver's said enough for now I think, and even though I don't agree with him, it doesn't sound super baddie? But honestly I'm not the best person to judge that, because I will readily admit I am way in over my head here.


Majes is not unkillable. He will require a save/trap.

Posted by: maurice Feb 6 2018, 06:25 PM
*maurice asks Hirkala if kills are blocking

If yes, then that save can't come from him

Posted by: araver Feb 6 2018, 06:25 PM
QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 7 2018, 12:12 AM)
QUOTE (araver @ Feb 6 2018, 04:48 PM)
Much to read and reply, but Machina first:

I obviously have gained nothing after N1 as I was blocked.

Reading the NP was instructive though as I said.

I would argue both points.
1. Self-blocking as a baddie or blocking another baddie makes sense only in a game where blocks appear in the NP and there are no follow/target spies and the NK is carried by someone. A risk if follow/target spies are in the game with very little to gain. So as a baddie I wouldn't do that.
2. I did that while a baddie in the past and played the WiFoM card to show that I am likely town.
3. Someone could do that to me knowing the above 2 from past games.

So, null basically.

However I have 2 points to make after your posts:
1. I did not see a "lookout spy" in the OP so I do not know what you mean. There's a baddie follow spy (sees target of X) and a goodie target spy (sees who targeted x). Have you asked if the NK is carried by someone or do you know so???
2. And I find your questions of the baddie NP block very weird in the context of trying to narrow down maurice's role as well. Do you purposefully want to narrow 2 roles D1 even if both were goodies? Why?

In any case, I do not understand what you want to hear from me since both of the above posts don't actually contain a question ... So I will front some information: had I not been blocked, I would've had an action.

On an unrelated note, sighing deeply at Majes' posts.


QUOTE (Hirkala @ Feb 4 2018, 02:35 PM)
Stormcloak Soldier - Just your average Stormcloak fighting man.  Good with following orders.  Each night, may watch a player and see who acted on them.  [TARGET SPY]

5. Maybe "lookout" has a different definition here than I'm used to, but seeing who acts on a player is the definition I'm familiar with.
4. As for carried NKs, is it not standard here for them to be uncarried?
3. As I mentioned earlier, I should have separated the baddie block comments from my other stuff, I was just noting I don't understand the benefit of blocking unless they had an expectation to gain something, such as say, "cleaning" one of their own, such as the RID kill that's not going to land anyway.
2. As for narrowing roles down, I'll admit these den mafia games put me in a weird spot. I'm used to trying to get everyone tied down to a role as quickly as possible, but doing that in public here is detrimental to town. I'm not entirely sure what I'm supposed to be working with here other than vague reads.
1. But I still consider you far from cleaned.

In reverse order:
1. I wouldn't expect anyone to have me cleared by now.
2. Doing it in public while RID kills are in the game is detrimental yes. Other than vague reads you could try using actions or letting other people use theirs.
3. As I've mentioned there's a lot of WiFoM either way. I don't agree that a block on a RID kill beats a blind RID Kill though. My PoV: The risk/reward for attempting a RID kill is great. The one for blocking is meh to maybe and muddied by WiFoM.
4. Nope. I can see how you could draw that reasoning. But even if it were standard, the question still stands and someone did just ask the host that. Most likely not a baddie since they would know "for sure".
5. Ok. Got it.
But Lookout=target spy in the OP is even weaker for your arguments.
Imagine X blocks Y or X blocks X.
- A lookout spy targeting Y would see X and see Y being baddie blocked in the NP. Add 1+1 and X is probably a baddie. Risk.
- A lookout spy targeting X would see X targeting X and X being baddie blocked in the NP. Risk.
A 1/(no players-1) chance of hitting that but with devastating effects for the baddie in both cases.

Posted by: Majeswandar Feb 6 2018, 06:27 PM
Akatosh: Hirkala
1. Takari - voting for Machina
2. sparrowhawk - voting for bob
3. Machina - voting for bob
4. Hachi - voting for Machina
5. Bob - voting for Boq
6. Marq
7. onetruth - voting for sparrowhawk
8. Boquise - voting for bob
9. Framm - voting for Majes
10. Majes- abstaining
11. .113 - voting for Majes
12. plasmid - voting for sparrowhawk
13. Araver - voting for sparrowhawk
14. Insaner - voting for Machina
15. maurice - voting for bob

popping this here for .113, still unsure who i am voting for atm... i will probably not stay abstaining for much longer

Posted by: Insaner Feb 6 2018, 06:29 PM
Majeswandar you have information that most/all of us don't. You shouldn't be abstaining from voting. Talk it over wtih your teammate and post your combined thoughts.

Just don't rat them out lmaooooo

Posted by: .113 Feb 6 2018, 06:29 PM
QUOTE (Insaner @ Feb 6 2018, 10:00 PM)
Akatosh: Hirkala
1. Takari - voting for Machina
2. sparrowhawk - voting for bob
3. Machina - voting for bob
4. Hachi - voting for Machina
5. Bob - voting for Boq
6. Marq
7. onetruth - voting for sparrowhawk
8. Boquise - voting for sparrowhawk
9. Framm - 
10. Majes- abstaining
11. .113 - voting for Majes
12. plasmid - voting for sparrowhawk
13. Araver - voting for sparrowhawk
14. Insaner - voting for Machina
15. maurice - voting for bob

I think this is accurate.


this one should be accurate

Posted by: Hachi Feb 6 2018, 06:35 PM
Jesus Christ I got called in to work and in the thirty minute drive there's already two more pages. I'll try and catch up.

Posted by: Majeswandar Feb 6 2018, 06:35 PM
well i'm leaning towards SH still and bob since bob hasn't responded yet. I am going to post my read right now
1. Takari - possibly baddie
2. sparrowhawk - possibly baddie
3. Machina -possibly goodie
4. Hachi - possibly goodie
5. Bob - possibly baddie based off of silence
6. Marq- possibly baddie based off of silence
7. onetruth - ??
8. Boquise - ??
9. Framm - possible baddie
10. Majes- goodie
11. .113 - probably goodie
12. plasmid - ???
13. Araver - not baddie
14. Insaner - goodie
15. maurice - probably goodie or indi (self save? or unkillable n1?)

so not many good leads here... I feel that the person that visited me last night has been very quite but that is a gut feeling with no evidence.

Posted by: araver Feb 6 2018, 06:36 PM
QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 7 2018, 12:22 AM)
araver

I didn't think you were bad, just didn't find Machina bad for wondering if you were.  You pretty much summed up my opinion of the baddie block on you, null. I stated earlier we can't assume you are bad nor not bad based on it.  The point of that post wasn't to cast shade on you, it was too see what I'm not seeing in Machina... Im Not defensive, though it seemed you did get so... But whatever.

I just want to lynch me a baddie... Or majes.

Hmm. I read you as defensive. Maybe confirmation bias. Maybe not. Shrug. Your avatar distracted me for a moment there.

In other words, I do have a question for you. Bear with me. It's convoluted.

You're very pushy with the "Majes needs a save thing" but you want to lynch a baddie or lynch majes. I am confused. I understand the two options (third being lynching the Indy tbh), but if Majes claimed a role and that role does not need a save unless we definitely do not a lynch a goodie why not try to bandwagon on someone.

One of your posts said: "I'd rather pressure info out of people early risking a mislynch there, then lynching people who are contributing and whose info can help us lynch/kill them later if they're bad." Aside from not using Indy (I am trying to not tunnel here), why would would you want to pressure more people, as a single baddie would be enough for D1, in your words above...

And finally the question: why not Machina?
You said to Insaner:
QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 11:29 PM)
Insaner

You want to lynch Machina?

I couldn't /didn't follow your reasoning.  I know I agreed with him early on that araver isnt cleared because he was baddie blocked.  I too was voting Majes cuz he seemed off until he outed.  You don't like that the substance of his posts has been mostly around game theory. Am I missing anything?

My thing is this... He's given something.  We can always use it later to prove he's bad.  If he is bad then we still need to pull 3 others. So let's start that process now. I'd rather pressure info out of people early risking a mislynch there, then lynching people who are contributing and whose info can help us lynch/kill them later if they're bad.

What is that thing?

Posted by: araver Feb 6 2018, 06:37 PM
QUOTE (.113 @ Feb 7 2018, 12:29 AM)
QUOTE (Insaner @ Feb 6 2018, 10:00 PM)
Akatosh: Hirkala
1. Takari - voting for Machina
2. sparrowhawk - voting for bob
3. Machina - voting for bob
4. Hachi - voting for Machina
5. Bob - voting for Boq
6. Marq
7. onetruth - voting for sparrowhawk
8. Boquise - voting for sparrowhawk
9. Framm - 
10. Majes- abstaining
11. .113 - voting for Majes
12. plasmid - voting for sparrowhawk
13. Araver - voting for sparrowhawk
14. Insaner - voting for Machina
15. maurice - voting for bob

I think this is accurate.


this one should be accurate

I was voting Machina tbh.

Posted by: Machina Feb 6 2018, 06:40 PM
QUOTE (araver @ Feb 6 2018, 05:25 PM)

But Lookout=target spy in the OP is even weaker for your arguments.
Imagine X blocks Y or X blocks X.
- A lookout spy targeting Y would see X and see Y being baddie blocked in the NP. Add 1+1 and X is probably a baddie. Risk.
- A lookout spy targeting X would see X targeting X and X being baddie blocked in the NP. Risk.
A 1/(no players-1) chance of hitting that but with devastating effects for the baddie in both cases.


For option A I see the reward being far less lucrative than option B, even if WIFoM heavy.
Since we know for a fact the baddie block acted, which means the safest bet wasn't taken, then I'm more inclined to believe it had a purpose.
And the only other information they would have N1 is their own kill target, who they clearly didn't block.
So either it was a YOLO block that was thrown out for reasons I'm not understanding, or it had a more specific purposes, such as a D1 read or self-block. or an attempt to frame a self-block on a goodie.

But I'm willing to agree due to all the WIFoM it ultimately comes out null. I just didn't remember seeing much from you and wanted to see how you'd react to prodding.
Ultimately, I'm going to say it came up null.

Posted by: .113 Feb 6 2018, 06:41 PM
thx for the votecount btw, i managed to find one + went through the pages a bit and updated it.. basically majes is abstaining and boquise is voting for SH...


My thoughts so far is that Hachi seemed towny, insaner seem towny, boquise is kinda 50/50. I think I remember thinking that Araver felt towny as well. I didn't like sparrowhawks vote earlier but besides that have got no clue...
Machina pings me from the start but no one seemed to react on it so not sure if it's just playstyle, sp never voted there before. Plasmid gave me a bad hunch but kinda hard to argue for a lynch on that.

As for the rest, colours on names and new names make it confusing for me to keep track of who is who, I also got used to being able to click a button to get a votecount + list of all the people in the game. This makes it much easier for me and apparently I really need that. Someone got spewed clear and someone is unkillable and maybe a friend ? anyways not voting there.

So, I know it isn't much but I just got home from work and I gotta get up for work again in about 6 hours so I really need to go sleep. I really wanna play this game, and am sorry I haven't left a good impression yet, just hope I get a chance to do it. After today I should only work days, so I'll have more time in the evening to play, so it should get better from toMorrow.

Since I couldn't give any good reads, I just gave you my hunches and feelings and instead hope it's enough to show you I'm at least a little invested in the game and won't become a CFD later. It's not much, but it's not nothing, hope we get a wolf in the lynch! Night people, see you toMorrow

Posted by: Majeswandar Feb 6 2018, 06:41 PM
btw what does WIFoM stand for?

Posted by: Hachi Feb 6 2018, 06:41 PM
I gotta go to work now. I'm mostly caught up. Machina has not convinced me, my vote will be sitting here for now unless I get time to check during a break.

Posted by: .113 Feb 6 2018, 06:42 PM
[QUOTE=araver,Feb 6 2018, 11:37 PM][QUOTE=.113,Feb 7 2018, 12:29 AM][QUOTE=Insaner,Feb 6 2018, 10:00 PM]Akatosh: Hirkala
1. Takari - voting for Machina
2. sparrowhawk - voting for bob
3. Machina - voting for bob
4. Hachi - voting for Machina
5. Bob - voting for Boq
6. Marq
7. onetruth - voting for sparrowhawk
8. Boquise - voting for sparrowhawk
9. Framm - 
10. Majes- abstaining
11. .113 - voting for Machina
12. plasmid - voting for sparrowhawk
13. Araver - voting for Machina
14. Insaner - voting for Machina
15. maurice - voting for bob

[/QUOTE]

changed aravers vote to machina, + added my vote there

i think it's accurate now?

Posted by: Phaze Feb 6 2018, 06:43 PM
QUOTE (Majeswandar @ Feb 7 2018, 10:41 AM)
btw what does WIFoM stand for?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9TRMQwMNnY

Posted by: Insaner Feb 6 2018, 06:45 PM
QUOTE (.113 @ Feb 6 2018, 10:41 PM)
thx for the votecount btw, i managed to find one + went through the pages a bit and updated it.. basically  majes is abstaining and boquise is voting for SH...


My thoughts so far is that Hachi seemed towny, insaner seem towny, boquise is kinda 50/50. I think I remember thinking that Araver felt towny as well. I didn't like sparrowhawks vote earlier but besides that have got no clue...
Machina pings me from the start but no one seemed to react on it so not sure if it's just playstyle, sp never voted there before. Plasmid gave me a bad hunch but kinda hard to argue for a lynch on that.

As for the rest, colours on names and new names make it confusing for me to keep track of who is who, I also got used to being able to click a button to get a votecount + list of all the people in the game. This makes it much easier for me and apparently I really need that.  Someone got spewed clear and someone is unkillable and maybe a friend ? anyways not voting there.

So, I know it isn't much but I just got home from work and I gotta get up for work again in about 6 hours so I really need to go sleep. I really wanna play this game, and am sorry I haven't left a good impression yet, just hope I get a chance to do it. After today I should only work days, so I'll have more time in the evening to play, so it should get better from toMorrow.

Since I couldn't give any good reads, I just gave you my hunches and feelings and instead hope it's enough to show you I'm at least a little invested in the game and won't become a CFD later. It's not much, but it's not nothing, hope we get a wolf in the lynch! Night people, see you toMorrow

We gotta lynch him right?

Posted by: Insaner Feb 6 2018, 06:46 PM
vote Takari

Cuz raisins.

Posted by: maurice Feb 6 2018, 06:50 PM
QUOTE (araver @ Feb 6 2018, 04:36 PM)
QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 7 2018, 12:22 AM)
araver

I didn't think you were bad, just didn't find Machina bad for wondering if you were.  You pretty much summed up my opinion of the baddie block on you, null. I stated earlier we can't assume you are bad nor not bad based on it.  The point of that post wasn't to cast shade on you, it was too see what I'm not seeing in Machina... Im Not defensive, though it seemed you did get so... But whatever.

I just want to lynch me a baddie... Or majes.

Hmm. I read you as defensive. Maybe confirmation bias. Maybe not. Shrug. Your avatar distracted me for a moment there.

In other words, I do have a question for you. Bear with me. It's convoluted.

You're very pushy with the "Majes needs a save thing" but you want to lynch a baddie or lynch majes. I am confused. I understand the two options (third being lynching the Indy tbh), but if Majes claimed a role and that role does not need a save unless we definitely do not a lynch a goodie why not try to bandwagon on someone.

One of your posts said: "I'd rather pressure info out of people early risking a mislynch there, then lynching people who are contributing and whose info can help us lynch/kill them later if they're bad." Aside from not using Indy (I am trying to not tunnel here), why would would you want to pressure more people, as a single baddie would be enough for D1, in your words above...

And finally the question: why not Machina?
You said to Insaner:
QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 11:29 PM)
Insaner

You want to lynch Machina?

I couldn't /didn't follow your reasoning.  I know I agreed with him early on that araver isnt cleared because he was baddie blocked.  I too was voting Majes cuz he seemed off until he outed.  You don't like that the substance of his posts has been mostly around game theory. Am I missing anything?

My thing is this... He's given something.  We can always use it later to prove he's bad.  If he is bad then we still need to pull 3 others. So let's start that process now. I'd rather pressure info out of people early risking a mislynch there, then lynching people who are contributing and whose info can help us lynch/kill them later if they're bad.

What is that thing?


Majes can be killed tonight regardless of the outcome of this lynch. His immunity will not protect him even if no goodies have died yet.

Machina has not given anything in particular. But he's given something that we can come back to if needed. I always would prefer to keep people around who have spilled some info, because it makes the endgame easier for goodies to solve (*always as a goodie)

Why would I want an endgame with people who we still have to probe.

As for Machina, I'm leaning more towards him being bad, but don't have him as more bad than say Bob. So I don't feel we have a single baddie.

Posted by: Machina Feb 6 2018, 06:53 PM
I'm so lost. This thread is moving far too fast.

Dragonborn isn't immune tonight why? Is it only N1 immunity? Does it not block from 2 separate attacks?
I need a RAM upgrade.

Posted by: maurice Feb 6 2018, 06:59 PM
QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 6 2018, 04:53 PM)
I'm so lost. This thread is moving far too fast.

Dragonborn isn't immune tonight why? Is it only N1 immunity? Does it not block from 2 separate attacks?
I need a RAM upgrade.



QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 02:41 PM)
QUOTE (Hirkala @ Feb 6 2018, 02:37 PM)
QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 02:29 PM)
Hirkala

*maurice wonders what happens if the baddies attempt 2 kills N2, one of them on the dragondude. If order matters please answer for both sequences.


A successful RID and a NK would both go off. Order would not matter.



Majeswandar et al.

Please note this means majes can be killed N2 unless he is saved/trapped.

Good thing ol' mo is around to thwart baddie plans.

Oh and I vote bob

Posted by: Majeswandar Feb 6 2018, 07:03 PM
QUOTE (Phaze @ Feb 6 2018, 10:43 PM)
QUOTE (Majeswandar @ Feb 7 2018, 10:41 AM)
btw what does WIFoM stand for?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9TRMQwMNnY


ahhhh ok, makes since now

Posted by: sparrowhawk Feb 6 2018, 07:05 PM
QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 02:59 PM)
QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 6 2018, 04:53 PM)
I'm so lost. This thread is moving far too fast.

Dragonborn isn't immune tonight why? Is it only N1 immunity? Does it not block from 2 separate attacks?
I need a RAM upgrade.



QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 02:41 PM)
QUOTE (Hirkala @ Feb 6 2018, 02:37 PM)
QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 02:29 PM)
Hirkala

*maurice wonders what happens if the baddies attempt 2 kills N2, one of them on the dragondude. If order matters please answer for both sequences.


A successful RID and a NK would both go off. Order would not matter.



Majeswandar et al.

Please note this means majes can be killed N2 unless he is saved/trapped.

Good thing ol' mo is around to thwart baddie plans.

Oh and I vote bob

I think there is some ambiguity there still. You didn't specify "while the dragonborn is immune" in your question. It was implied, but Hirk may not have answered it that way.

Just to be perfectly clear, Hirkala: would your answer to mo change taking into consideration that the dragonborn is immune going into the night?

Posted by: Hirkala Feb 6 2018, 07:10 PM
QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 03:05 PM)
Hirkala

*maurice wonders what happens in a tie vote


D1: No lynch. D2+: Everyone in lynch dies.

QUOTE (Framm @ Feb 6 2018, 03:59 PM)
Trying to read this on my phone is http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/headbang.gif with all of the quotes. But remove my vote please. Need to reread, don't like Machine's suggestion on catching a killer acting.

Do Baddies carry the NK, or does it just get carried out anonymously?


There is no carrier for the NK

QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 04:25 PM)
*maurice asks Hirkala if kills are blocking

If yes, then that save can't come from him


Kills are not blocking.

QUOTE (sparrowhawk @ Feb 6 2018, 05:05 PM)

Just to be perfectly clear,  Hirkala: would your answer to mo change taking into consideration that the dragonborn is immune going into the night?


The Dragonborn can only *not* be the first Goodie to die. If another Goodie dies at night, the Dragonborn can be killed the same night. Provided all that stuff happens with the correct RIDing and no saving of the peoples.

Posted by: maurice Feb 6 2018, 07:11 PM
QUOTE (sparrowhawk @ Feb 6 2018, 05:05 PM)
QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 02:59 PM)
QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 6 2018, 04:53 PM)
I'm so lost. This thread is moving far too fast.

Dragonborn isn't immune tonight why? Is it only N1 immunity? Does it not block from 2 separate attacks?
I need a RAM upgrade.



QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 02:41 PM)
QUOTE (Hirkala @ Feb 6 2018, 02:37 PM)
QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 02:29 PM)
Hirkala

*maurice wonders what happens if the baddies attempt 2 kills N2, one of them on the dragondude. If order matters please answer for both sequences.


A successful RID and a NK would both go off. Order would not matter.



Majeswandar et al.

Please note this means majes can be killed N2 unless he is saved/trapped.

Good thing ol' mo is around to thwart baddie plans.

Oh and I vote bob

I think there is some ambiguity there still. You didn't specify "while the dragonborn is immune" in your question. It was implied, but Hirk may not have answered it that way.

Just to be perfectly clear, Hirkala: would your answer to mo change taking into consideration that the dragonborn is immune going into the night?

Good point. I should have asked it the way you did in btsc

Posted by: Machina Feb 6 2018, 07:11 PM
QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 05:59 PM)
QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 6 2018, 04:53 PM)
I'm so lost. This thread is moving far too fast.

Dragonborn isn't immune tonight why? Is it only N1 immunity? Does it not block from 2 separate attacks?
I need a RAM upgrade.



QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 02:41 PM)
QUOTE (Hirkala @ Feb 6 2018, 02:37 PM)
QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 02:29 PM)
Hirkala

*maurice wonders what happens if the baddies attempt 2 kills N2, one of them on the dragondude. If order matters please answer for both sequences.


A successful RID and a NK would both go off. Order would not matter.



Majeswandar et al.

Please note this means majes can be killed N2 unless he is saved/trapped.

Good thing ol' mo is around to thwart baddie plans.

Oh and I vote bob


I see nothing about the dragonborn's immunity in Hirk's incredibly vague response?

Hirkala Can you confirm there are no secret or deliberately incorrect ability descriptions in the OP?

The fact the DB's shouts appearing in the NP or not is a "spoiler" leaves me to believe that there is information deliberately missing from the OP.
And why is "destroy everything" listed in a wincon that allegedly could be achieved by never killing anyone?
Not to mention the fact a killing role being able to side with everyone seems really awkward mechanically. (Though maybe it's more common here...?)
So I want clarification.

Posted by: Machina Feb 6 2018, 07:13 PM
QUOTE (Hirkala @ Feb 6 2018, 06:10 PM)
QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 03:05 PM)
Hirkala

*maurice wonders what happens in a tie vote


D1: No lynch. D2+: Everyone in lynch dies.

QUOTE (Framm @ Feb 6 2018, 03:59 PM)
Trying to read this on my phone is http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/headbang.gif with all of the quotes. But remove my vote please. Need to reread, don't like Machine's suggestion on catching a killer acting.

Do Baddies carry the NK, or does it just get carried out anonymously?


There is no carrier for the NK

QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 04:25 PM)
*maurice asks Hirkala if kills are blocking

If yes, then that save can't come from him


Kills are not blocking.

QUOTE (sparrowhawk @ Feb 6 2018, 05:05 PM)

Just to be perfectly clear,  Hirkala: would your answer to mo change taking into consideration that the dragonborn is immune going into the night?


The Dragonborn can only *not* be the first Goodie to die. If another Goodie dies at night, the Dragonborn can be killed the same night. Provided all that stuff happens with the correct RIDing and no saving of the peoples.


Okay that makes more sense.

Posted by: Majeswandar Feb 6 2018, 07:14 PM
QUOTE (Hirkala @ Feb 6 2018, 11:10 PM)
QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 03:05 PM)
Hirkala

*maurice wonders what happens in a tie vote


D1: No lynch. D2+: Everyone in lynch dies.

QUOTE (Framm @ Feb 6 2018, 03:59 PM)
Trying to read this on my phone is http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/headbang.gif with all of the quotes. But remove my vote please. Need to reread, don't like Machine's suggestion on catching a killer acting.

Do Baddies carry the NK, or does it just get carried out anonymously?


There is no carrier for the NK

QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 04:25 PM)
*maurice asks Hirkala if kills are blocking

If yes, then that save can't come from him


Kills are not blocking.

QUOTE (sparrowhawk @ Feb 6 2018, 05:05 PM)

Just to be perfectly clear,  Hirkala: would your answer to mo change taking into consideration that the dragonborn is immune going into the night?


The Dragonborn can only *not* be the first Goodie to die. If another Goodie dies at night, the Dragonborn can be killed the same night. Provided all that stuff happens with the correct RIDing and no saving of the peoples.

o good i may not die tonight.

Posted by: Hirkala Feb 6 2018, 07:15 PM
QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 6 2018, 05:11 PM)

Hirkala Can you confirm there are no secret or deliberately incorrect abilitie descriptions in the OP?

The fact the DB's shouts appearing in the NP or not is a "spoiler" leaves me to believe that there is information deliberately missing from the OP.
And why is "destroy everything" listed in a wincon that allegedly could be achieved by never killing anyone?
Not to mention the fact a killing role being able to side with everyone seems really awkward mechanically. (Though maybe it's more common here...?)
So I want clarification.


There are no deliberately incorrect ability descriptions in the OP. Secrets are secret because they are secret. I have nothing to say on that.

"Destroy everything!!!" is flavor. Story stuff. Alduin is known as the World Eater in lore. He exists to literally destroy everything. The WinCon is "Survive Until the End". Alduin must be alive when either the Imperials or the Stormcloaks achieve their WinCon in order to achieve his.

Posted by: Insaner Feb 6 2018, 07:18 PM
Machina's unwillingness to figure out other people and his insistence on figuring out the rules of this game makes me think that he can actually be a goodie here.

Posted by: maurice Feb 6 2018, 07:19 PM
QUOTE (Majeswandar @ Feb 6 2018, 05:14 PM)
QUOTE (Hirkala @ Feb 6 2018, 11:10 PM)
QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 03:05 PM)
Hirkala

*maurice wonders what happens in a tie vote


D1: No lynch. D2+: Everyone in lynch dies.

QUOTE (Framm @ Feb 6 2018, 03:59 PM)
Trying to read this on my phone is http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/headbang.gif with all of the quotes. But remove my vote please. Need to reread, don't like Machine's suggestion on catching a killer acting.

Do Baddies carry the NK, or does it just get carried out anonymously?


There is no carrier for the NK

QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 04:25 PM)
*maurice asks Hirkala if kills are blocking

If yes, then that save can't come from him


Kills are not blocking.

QUOTE (sparrowhawk @ Feb 6 2018, 05:05 PM)

Just to be perfectly clear,  Hirkala: would your answer to mo change taking into consideration that the dragonborn is immune going into the night?


The Dragonborn can only *not* be the first Goodie to die. If another Goodie dies at night, the Dragonborn can be killed the same night. Provided all that stuff happens with the correct RIDing and no saving of the peoples.

o good i may not die tonight.

You may but one thing is for sure you will get the opportunity to play one hell of a game of WIFOM

Posted by: sparrowhawk Feb 6 2018, 07:19 PM
QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 6 2018, 03:11 PM)
QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 05:59 PM)
QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 6 2018, 04:53 PM)
I'm so lost. This thread is moving far too fast.

Dragonborn isn't immune tonight why? Is it only N1 immunity? Does it not block from 2 separate attacks?
I need a RAM upgrade.



QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 02:41 PM)
QUOTE (Hirkala @ Feb 6 2018, 02:37 PM)
QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 02:29 PM)
Hirkala

*maurice wonders what happens if the baddies attempt 2 kills N2, one of them on the dragondude. If order matters please answer for both sequences.


A successful RID and a NK would both go off. Order would not matter.



Majeswandar et al.

Please note this means majes can be killed N2 unless he is saved/trapped.

Good thing ol' mo is around to thwart baddie plans.

Oh and I vote bob


I see nothing about the dragonborn's immunity in Hirk's incredibly vague response?

Hirkala Can you confirm there are no secret or deliberately incorrect abilitie descriptions in the OP?

The fact the DB's shouts appearing in the NP or not is a "spoiler" leaves me to believe that there is information deliberately missing from the OP.
And why is "destroy everything" listed in a wincon that allegedly could be achieved by never killing anyone?
Not to mention the fact a killing role being able to side with everyone seems really awkward mechanically. (Though maybe it's more common here...?)
So I want clarification.

I can't speak to every question there, but Alduin's win con seems to be more flavor than anything else as I read it. In the game, destroy everything was his goal, but in this game it seems to be just to survive. (To stick with the spirit of Skyrim, it does seem like he ought to have to at least outlive/kill the dragonborn since they are nemeses in the game. But I don't make the rules here. http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/shrug.gif )

Posted by: Insaner Feb 6 2018, 07:22 PM
Machina would you call yourself a mechanical player?

Posted by: Machina Feb 6 2018, 07:29 PM
QUOTE (Hirkala @ Feb 6 2018, 06:15 PM)
QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 6 2018, 05:11 PM)

Hirkala Can you confirm there are no secret or deliberately incorrect abilitie descriptions in the OP?

The fact the DB's shouts appearing in the NP or not is a "spoiler" leaves me to believe that there is information deliberately missing from the OP.
And why is "destroy everything" listed in a wincon that allegedly could be achieved by never killing anyone?
Not to mention the fact a killing role being able to side with everyone seems really awkward mechanically. (Though maybe it's more common here...?)
So I want clarification.


There are no deliberately incorrect ability descriptions in the OP. Secrets are secret because they are secret. I have nothing to say on that.

"Destroy everything!!!" is flavor. Story stuff. Alduin is known as the World Eater in lore. He exists to literally destroy everything. The WinCon is "Survive Until the End". Alduin must be alive when either the Imperials or the Stormcloaks achieve their WinCon in order to achieve his.


Is the win shared, or does Alduin deny all other parties their wins upon achieving his?

And I can't say I approve that sort of mentality when it comes to "secret abilities" but that's a talk for after this game is over.

QUOTE (Insaner @ Feb 6 2018, 06:22 PM)
Machina would you call yourself a mechanical player?


67% funny.

Posted by: Hirkala Feb 6 2018, 07:36 PM
QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 6 2018, 05:29 PM)


Is the win shared, or does Alduin deny all other parties their wins upon achieving his?


Shared victory.

Posted by: Insaner Feb 6 2018, 07:40 PM
QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 6 2018, 11:29 PM)

QUOTE (Insaner @ Feb 6 2018, 06:22 PM)
Machina would you call yourself a mechanical player?


67% funny.

Are you closing in on any wolves yet?

Thoughts on araver being Alduin?

Posted by: onetruth Feb 6 2018, 07:44 PM
I voted for sh for pressure because it was early in the day. Activity has blown up since then. I didn't have a solid read on anyone. I don't want to be vote manipulated or inadvertently band wagon with baddies, so I will likely remove or change my vote before the day ends, although I'm not convinced sh isn't a baddie. What I don't get is the late bandwagon on bob after he said so little and there are others who have been much more vocal. I think votes have moved since then, but I still find it questionable.

I skimmed through but need to spend a few more min reading the last couple of pages more thoroughly. Mo keeps pinging my radar as being suspicious, but araver hit on that. I dunno. He could still be a baddie or meanie indy.

As for me, I don't have anything to say about myself at the moment. Maybe in the future.

Posted by: Insaner Feb 6 2018, 07:49 PM
I can't really differentiate between the 3 top wagons right now. Machina is trying the hardest though. Maybe we should CFD .113 as he himself suggested http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/XD.gif

Posted by: maurice Feb 6 2018, 07:50 PM
QUOTE (onetruth @ Feb 6 2018, 05:44 PM)
I voted for sh for pressure because it was early in the day. Activity has blown up since then. I didn't have a solid read on anyone. I don't want to be vote manipulated or inadvertently band wagon with baddies, so I will likely remove or change my vote before the day ends, although I'm not convinced sh isn't a baddie. What I don't get is the late bandwagon on bob after he said so little and there are others who have been much more vocal. I think votes have moved since then, but I still find it questionable.

I skimmed through but need to spend a few more min reading the last couple of pages more thoroughly.  Mo keeps pinging my radar as being suspicious, but araver hit on that. I dunno. He could still be a baddie or meanie indy.

As for me, I don't have anything to say about myself at the moment. Maybe in the future.


I am not baddie... That we kno fo sho

Posted by: Majeswandar Feb 6 2018, 07:53 PM
QUOTE (maurice @ Feb 6 2018, 11:50 PM)
QUOTE (onetruth @ Feb 6 2018, 05:44 PM)
I voted for sh for pressure because it was early in the day. Activity has blown up since then. I didn't have a solid read on anyone. I don't want to be vote manipulated or inadvertently band wagon with baddies, so I will likely remove or change my vote before the day ends, although I'm not convinced sh isn't a baddie. What I don't get is the late bandwagon on bob after he said so little and there are others who have been much more vocal. I think votes have moved since then, but I still find it questionable.

I skimmed through but need to spend a few more min reading the last couple of pages more thoroughly.  Mo keeps pinging my radar as being suspicious, but araver hit on that. I dunno. He could still be a baddie or meanie indy.

As for me, I don't have anything to say about myself at the moment. Maybe in the future.


I am not baddie... That we kno fo sho


are you a dragon? are you a friend of the town? We totally have a ton of sweet rolls for you if you are.

I may have taken them...while exploring houses... i mean trying to take out the imperials...

Posted by: Machina Feb 6 2018, 07:59 PM
QUOTE (Insaner @ Feb 6 2018, 06:40 PM)
QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 6 2018, 11:29 PM)

QUOTE (Insaner @ Feb 6 2018, 06:22 PM)
Machina would you call yourself a mechanical player?


67% funny.

Are you closing in on any wolves yet?

Thoughts on araver being Alduin?


With so many players contributing so little, it's hard to narrow them down.

But it's high time I tried categorizing my reads.
Nigh-confirmed goodie: Insaner, Majeswandar
Probable goodie: Hachi,
Neutral: Boquise, Framm, Araver, SH
Probable baddie:
nigh-confirmed baddie:
Alduin: Maurice
Talk more, dammit: Bob, Marq, onetruth, Plasmid, Takari, .133

Honestly, I'm finding it really hard to pin anyone down at the moment.
Hachi is the only one in the "probable goodie" category simply because he's been about as active as I expect, hasn't tripped any red flags, and there are far too many other more likely baddie candidates.
SH has come off as unusually passive despite the spotlight being on them, but honestly that's all I've got, and why he's not under probable baddie just yet. They did jump on Maurice awfully quickly IIRC, but why would baddies go for an indy who can potentially help them close out the game during a tie?
Takari seems to really want my head for some reason
Marq is getting away with being quiet scott-free why?
OT is almost invisible and that worries me.
Bob isn't reacting to the pressure votes, so either he's not around or hoping we move off him.
Not sure what to make of .133 at all, honestly.
Boquise, Framm, Plasmid and Araver I'm just having a hard time reading amidst all this chaos.


I doubt Araver is Alduin at this point, I've acted as if Maurice is confirmed Alduin and he's not even tried to contest it. I don't agree with Araver's logic on the baddie block entirely, though. But it's a mess of WIFoM, so that's understandable.

Posted by: Insaner Feb 6 2018, 08:01 PM
QUOTE (onetruth @ Feb 6 2018, 11:44 PM)
I voted for sh for pressure because it was early in the day. Activity has blown up since then. I didn't have a solid read on anyone. I don't want to be vote manipulated or inadvertently band wagon with baddies, so I will likely remove or change my vote before the day ends, although I'm not convinced sh isn't a baddie. What I don't get is the late bandwagon on bob after he said so little and there are others who have been much more vocal. I think votes have moved since then, but I still find it questionable.

I skimmed through but need to spend a few more min reading the last couple of pages more thoroughly.  Mo keeps pinging my radar as being suspicious, but araver hit on that. I dunno. He could still be a baddie or meanie indy.

As for me, I don't have anything to say about myself at the moment. Maybe in the future.

You are not convinced SH isn't a baddie and yet you are likely to remove the vote? Wouldn't it make more sense to try and make him convince you first?


Posted by: Takari Feb 6 2018, 08:09 PM
QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 6 2018, 05:59 PM)
QUOTE (Insaner @ Feb 6 2018, 06:40 PM)
QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 6 2018, 11:29 PM)

QUOTE (Insaner @ Feb 6 2018, 06:22 PM)
Machina would you call yourself a mechanical player?


67% funny.

Are you closing in on any wolves yet?

Thoughts on araver being Alduin?


With so many players contributing so little, it's hard to narrow them down.

But it's high time I tried categorizing my reads.
Nigh-confirmed goodie: Insaner, Majeswandar
Probable goodie: Hachi,
Neutral: Boquise, Framm, Araver, SH
Probable baddie:
nigh-confirmed baddie:
Alduin: Maurice
Talk more, dammit: Bob, Marq, onetruth, Plasmid, Takari, .133

Honestly, I'm finding it really hard to pin anyone down at the moment.
Hachi is the only one in the "probable goodie" category simply because he's been about as active as I expect, hasn't tripped any red flags, and there are far too many other more likely baddie candidates.
SH has come off as unusually passive despite the spotlight being on them, but honestly that's all I've got, and why he's not under probable baddie just yet. They did jump on Maurice awfully quickly IIRC, but why would baddies go for an indy who can potentially help them close out the game during a tie?
Takari seems to really want my head for some reason
Marq is getting away with being quiet scott-free why?
OT is almost invisible and that worries me.
Bob isn't reacting to the pressure votes, so either he's not around or hoping we move off him.
Not sure what to make of .133 at all, honestly.
Boquise, Framm, Plasmid and Araver I'm just having a hard time reading amidst all this chaos.


I doubt Araver is Alduin at this point, I've acted as if Maurice is confirmed Alduin and he's not even tried to contest it. I don't agree with Araver's logic on the baddie block entirely, though. But it's a mess of WIFoM, so that's understandable.

There is literally nothing I could say that hasn't already been said in one way or another. And if I remember correctly, you don't really like when people bandwagon or just repeat stuff that's been said so....

Posted by: Insaner Feb 6 2018, 08:10 PM
QUOTE (Takari @ Feb 7 2018, 12:09 AM)
QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 6 2018, 05:59 PM)
QUOTE (Insaner @ Feb 6 2018, 06:40 PM)
QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 6 2018, 11:29 PM)

QUOTE (Insaner @ Feb 6 2018, 06:22 PM)
Machina would you call yourself a mechanical player?


67% funny.

Are you closing in on any wolves yet?

Thoughts on araver being Alduin?


With so many players contributing so little, it's hard to narrow them down.

But it's high time I tried categorizing my reads.
Nigh-confirmed goodie: Insaner, Majeswandar
Probable goodie: Hachi,
Neutral: Boquise, Framm, Araver, SH
Probable baddie:
nigh-confirmed baddie:
Alduin: Maurice
Talk more, dammit: Bob, Marq, onetruth, Plasmid, Takari, .133

Honestly, I'm finding it really hard to pin anyone down at the moment.
Hachi is the only one in the "probable goodie" category simply because he's been about as active as I expect, hasn't tripped any red flags, and there are far too many other more likely baddie candidates.
SH has come off as unusually passive despite the spotlight being on them, but honestly that's all I've got, and why he's not under probable baddie just yet. They did jump on Maurice awfully quickly IIRC, but why would baddies go for an indy who can potentially help them close out the game during a tie?
Takari seems to really want my head for some reason
Marq is getting away with being quiet scott-free why?
OT is almost invisible and that worries me.
Bob isn't reacting to the pressure votes, so either he's not around or hoping we move off him.
Not sure what to make of .133 at all, honestly.
Boquise, Framm, Plasmid and Araver I'm just having a hard time reading amidst all this chaos.


I doubt Araver is Alduin at this point, I've acted as if Maurice is confirmed Alduin and he's not even tried to contest it. I don't agree with Araver's logic on the baddie block entirely, though. But it's a mess of WIFoM, so that's understandable.

There is literally nothing I could say that hasn't already been said in one way or another. And if I remember correctly, you don't really like when people bandwagon or just repeat stuff that's been said so....

Well you can always start by telling us who your teammates are.

Posted by: Insaner Feb 6 2018, 08:11 PM
QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 6 2018, 11:59 PM)
QUOTE (Insaner @ Feb 6 2018, 06:40 PM)
QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 6 2018, 11:29 PM)

QUOTE (Insaner @ Feb 6 2018, 06:22 PM)
Machina would you call yourself a mechanical player?


67% funny.

Are you closing in on any wolves yet?

Thoughts on araver being Alduin?


With so many players contributing so little, it's hard to narrow them down.

But it's high time I tried categorizing my reads.
Nigh-confirmed goodie: Insaner, Majeswandar
Probable goodie: Hachi,
Neutral: Boquise, Framm, Araver, SH
Probable baddie:
nigh-confirmed baddie:
Alduin: Maurice
Talk more, dammit: Bob, Marq, onetruth, Plasmid, Takari, .133

Honestly, I'm finding it really hard to pin anyone down at the moment.
Hachi is the only one in the "probable goodie" category simply because he's been about as active as I expect, hasn't tripped any red flags, and there are far too many other more likely baddie candidates.
SH has come off as unusually passive despite the spotlight being on them, but honestly that's all I've got, and why he's not under probable baddie just yet. They did jump on Maurice awfully quickly IIRC, but why would baddies go for an indy who can potentially help them close out the game during a tie?
Takari seems to really want my head for some reason
Marq is getting away with being quiet scott-free why?
OT is almost invisible and that worries me.
Bob isn't reacting to the pressure votes, so either he's not around or hoping we move off him.
Not sure what to make of .133 at all, honestly.
Boquise, Framm, Plasmid and Araver I'm just having a hard time reading amidst all this chaos.


I doubt Araver is Alduin at this point, I've acted as if Maurice is confirmed Alduin and he's not even tried to contest it. I don't agree with Araver's logic on the baddie block entirely, though. But it's a mess of WIFoM, so that's understandable.

This looks really solid.

Ok guys we are not lynching Machina today.

Posted by: Majeswandar Feb 6 2018, 08:12 PM
QUOTE (Insaner @ Feb 7 2018, 12:10 AM)
QUOTE (Takari @ Feb 7 2018, 12:09 AM)
QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 6 2018, 05:59 PM)
QUOTE (Insaner @ Feb 6 2018, 06:40 PM)
QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 6 2018, 11:29 PM)

QUOTE (Insaner @ Feb 6 2018, 06:22 PM)
Machina would you call yourself a mechanical player?


67% funny.

Are you closing in on any wolves yet?

Thoughts on araver being Alduin?


With so many players contributing so little, it's hard to narrow them down.

But it's high time I tried categorizing my reads.
Nigh-confirmed goodie: Insaner, Majeswandar
Probable goodie: Hachi,
Neutral: Boquise, Framm, Araver, SH
Probable baddie:
nigh-confirmed baddie:
Alduin: Maurice
Talk more, dammit: Bob, Marq, onetruth, Plasmid, Takari, .133

Honestly, I'm finding it really hard to pin anyone down at the moment.
Hachi is the only one in the "probable goodie" category simply because he's been about as active as I expect, hasn't tripped any red flags, and there are far too many other more likely baddie candidates.
SH has come off as unusually passive despite the spotlight being on them, but honestly that's all I've got, and why he's not under probable baddie just yet. They did jump on Maurice awfully quickly IIRC, but why would baddies go for an indy who can potentially help them close out the game during a tie?
Takari seems to really want my head for some reason
Marq is getting away with being quiet scott-free why?
OT is almost invisible and that worries me.
Bob isn't reacting to the pressure votes, so either he's not around or hoping we move off him.
Not sure what to make of .133 at all, honestly.
Boquise, Framm, Plasmid and Araver I'm just having a hard time reading amidst all this chaos.


I doubt Araver is Alduin at this point, I've acted as if Maurice is confirmed Alduin and he's not even tried to contest it. I don't agree with Araver's logic on the baddie block entirely, though. But it's a mess of WIFoM, so that's understandable.

There is literally nothing I could say that hasn't already been said in one way or another. And if I remember correctly, you don't really like when people bandwagon or just repeat stuff that's been said so....

Well you can always start by telling us who your teammates are.

do they know?

Posted by: Machina Feb 6 2018, 08:12 PM
QUOTE (onetruth @ Feb 6 2018, 06:44 PM)
I voted for sh for pressure because it was early in the day. Activity has blown up since then. I didn't have a solid read on anyone. I don't want to be vote manipulated or inadvertently band wagon with baddies, so I will likely remove or change my vote before the day ends, although I'm not convinced sh isn't a baddie. What I don't get is the late bandwagon on bob after he said so little and there are others who have been much more vocal. I think votes have moved since then, but I still find it questionable.

I skimmed through but need to spend a few more min reading the last couple of pages more thoroughly.  Mo keeps pinging my radar as being suspicious, but araver hit on that. I dunno. He could still be a baddie or meanie indy.

As for me, I don't have anything to say about myself at the moment. Maybe in the future.


Why should quiet people be ignored, exactly? Baddies have a much greater incentive to hide in the shadows and reveal as little as possible about their thoughts on the game.
Kind of like you've been doing.

Posted by: Takari Feb 6 2018, 08:13 PM
QUOTE (Insaner @ Feb 6 2018, 06:10 PM)
QUOTE (Takari @ Feb 7 2018, 12:09 AM)
QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 6 2018, 05:59 PM)
QUOTE (Insaner @ Feb 6 2018, 06:40 PM)
QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 6 2018, 11:29 PM)

QUOTE (Insaner @ Feb 6 2018, 06:22 PM)
Machina would you call yourself a mechanical player?


67% funny.

Are you closing in on any wolves yet?

Thoughts on araver being Alduin?


With so many players contributing so little, it's hard to narrow them down.

But it's high time I tried categorizing my reads.
Nigh-confirmed goodie: Insaner, Majeswandar
Probable goodie: Hachi,
Neutral: Boquise, Framm, Araver, SH
Probable baddie:
nigh-confirmed baddie:
Alduin: Maurice
Talk more, dammit: Bob, Marq, onetruth, Plasmid, Takari, .133

Honestly, I'm finding it really hard to pin anyone down at the moment.
Hachi is the only one in the "probable goodie" category simply because he's been about as active as I expect, hasn't tripped any red flags, and there are far too many other more likely baddie candidates.
SH has come off as unusually passive despite the spotlight being on them, but honestly that's all I've got, and why he's not under probable baddie just yet. They did jump on Maurice awfully quickly IIRC, but why would baddies go for an indy who can potentially help them close out the game during a tie?
Takari seems to really want my head for some reason
Marq is getting away with being quiet scott-free why?
OT is almost invisible and that worries me.
Bob isn't reacting to the pressure votes, so either he's not around or hoping we move off him.
Not sure what to make of .133 at all, honestly.
Boquise, Framm, Plasmid and Araver I'm just having a hard time reading amidst all this chaos.


I doubt Araver is Alduin at this point, I've acted as if Maurice is confirmed Alduin and he's not even tried to contest it. I don't agree with Araver's logic on the baddie block entirely, though. But it's a mess of WIFoM, so that's understandable.

There is literally nothing I could say that hasn't already been said in one way or another. And if I remember correctly, you don't really like when people bandwagon or just repeat stuff that's been said so....

Well you can always start by telling us who your teammates are.

And out myself and them? That doesn't seem smart to me right now. Though I'm (sadly) comfortable saying that at least one teammate of mine doesn't think I'm on their team...

Posted by: onetruth Feb 6 2018, 08:16 PM
QUOTE (Insaner @ Feb 6 2018, 08:01 PM)
QUOTE (onetruth @ Feb 6 2018, 11:44 PM)
I voted for sh for pressure because it was early in the day. Activity has blown up since then. I didn't have a solid read on anyone. I don't want to be vote manipulated or inadvertently band wagon with baddies, so I will likely remove or change my vote before the day ends, although I'm not convinced sh isn't a baddie. What I don't get is the late bandwagon on bob after he said so little and there are others who have been much more vocal. I think votes have moved since then, but I still find it questionable.

I skimmed through but need to spend a few more min reading the last couple of pages more thoroughly.  Mo keeps pinging my radar as being suspicious, but araver hit on that. I dunno. He could still be a baddie or meanie indy.

As for me, I don't have anything to say about myself at the moment. Maybe in the future.

You are not convinced SH isn't a baddie and yet you are likely to remove the vote? Wouldn't it make more sense to try and make him convince you first?


I'm not convinced that he is a baddie, either. Like I said, I don't want to find myself being vote maniped if I'm wrong. As of now, my vote remains. I'm willing to take yours and majs' lead.

OT is quiet because she has kids and too many pets and work and way too many other commitments, but she is trying to be active.


Posted by: onetruth Feb 6 2018, 08:20 PM
QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 6 2018, 08:12 PM)
QUOTE (onetruth @ Feb 6 2018, 06:44 PM)
I voted for sh for pressure because it was early in the day. Activity has blown up since then. I didn't have a solid read on anyone. I don't want to be vote manipulated or inadvertently band wagon with baddies, so I will likely remove or change my vote before the day ends, although I'm not convinced sh isn't a baddie. What I don't get is the late bandwagon on bob after he said so little and there are others who have been much more vocal. I think votes have moved since then, but I still find it questionable.

I skimmed through but need to spend a few more min reading the last couple of pages more thoroughly.  Mo keeps pinging my radar as being suspicious, but araver hit on that. I dunno. He could still be a baddie or meanie indy.

As for me, I don't have anything to say about myself at the moment. Maybe in the future.


Why should quiet people be ignored, exactly? Baddies have a much greater incentive to hide in the shadows and reveal as little as possible about their thoughts on the game.
Kind of like you've been doing.


When did I say quiet people should be ignored?

As for me, I think we have one outed goodie too many. I'm not going to reveal myself unnecessarily. That wouldn't help. It's only the first day.

Posted by: Machina Feb 6 2018, 08:24 PM
QUOTE (onetruth @ Feb 6 2018, 07:20 PM)
QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 6 2018, 08:12 PM)
QUOTE (onetruth @ Feb 6 2018, 06:44 PM)
I voted for sh for pressure because it was early in the day. Activity has blown up since then. I didn't have a solid read on anyone. I don't want to be vote manipulated or inadvertently band wagon with baddies, so I will likely remove or change my vote before the day ends, although I'm not convinced sh isn't a baddie. What I don't get is the late bandwagon on bob after he said so little and there are others who have been much more vocal. I think votes have moved since then, but I still find it questionable.

I skimmed through but need to spend a few more min reading the last couple of pages more thoroughly.  Mo keeps pinging my radar as being suspicious, but araver hit on that. I dunno. He could still be a baddie or meanie indy.

As for me, I don't have anything to say about myself at the moment. Maybe in the future.


Why should quiet people be ignored, exactly? Baddies have a much greater incentive to hide in the shadows and reveal as little as possible about their thoughts on the game.
Kind of like you've been doing.


When did I say quiet people should be ignored?

As for me, I think we have one outed goodie too many. I'm not going to reveal myself unnecessarily. That wouldn't help. It's only the first day.


I'm not asking you to out yourself.
I'm asking why you to explain why you consider vocal players to be inherently more lynch-worthy than those who have said little.

Posted by: Insaner Feb 6 2018, 08:29 PM
I think we should lynch SH because hey.

Posted by: Insaner Feb 6 2018, 08:30 PM
Also, stop breadcrumbing your damn roles, people.

Posted by: onetruth Feb 6 2018, 08:35 PM
QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 6 2018, 08:24 PM)
QUOTE (onetruth @ Feb 6 2018, 07:20 PM)
QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 6 2018, 08:12 PM)
QUOTE (onetruth @ Feb 6 2018, 06:44 PM)
I voted for sh for pressure because it was early in the day. Activity has blown up since then. I didn't have a solid read on anyone. I don't want to be vote manipulated or inadvertently band wagon with baddies, so I will likely remove or change my vote before the day ends, although I'm not convinced sh isn't a baddie. What I don't get is the late bandwagon on bob after he said so little and there are others who have been much more vocal. I think votes have moved since then, but I still find it questionable.

I skimmed through but need to spend a few more min reading the last couple of pages more thoroughly.  Mo keeps pinging my radar as being suspicious, but araver hit on that. I dunno. He could still be a baddie or meanie indy.

As for me, I don't have anything to say about myself at the moment. Maybe in the future.


Why should quiet people be ignored, exactly? Baddies have a much greater incentive to hide in the shadows and reveal as little as possible about their thoughts on the game.
Kind of like you've been doing.


When did I say quiet people should be ignored?

As for me, I think we have one outed goodie too many. I'm not going to reveal myself unnecessarily. That wouldn't help. It's only the first day.


I'm not asking you to out yourself.
I'm asking why you to explain why you consider vocal players to be inherently more lynch-worthy than those who have said little.


I don't. It's just a place to start.

Posted by: Machina Feb 6 2018, 08:37 PM
QUOTE (onetruth @ Feb 6 2018, 07:35 PM)
QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 6 2018, 08:24 PM)
QUOTE (onetruth @ Feb 6 2018, 07:20 PM)
QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 6 2018, 08:12 PM)
QUOTE (onetruth @ Feb 6 2018, 06:44 PM)
I voted for sh for pressure because it was early in the day. Activity has blown up since then. I didn't have a solid read on anyone. I don't want to be vote manipulated or inadvertently band wagon with baddies, so I will likely remove or change my vote before the day ends, although I'm not convinced sh isn't a baddie. What I don't get is the late bandwagon on bob after he said so little and there are others who have been much more vocal. I think votes have moved since then, but I still find it questionable.

I skimmed through but need to spend a few more min reading the last couple of pages more thoroughly.  Mo keeps pinging my radar as being suspicious, but araver hit on that. I dunno. He could still be a baddie or meanie indy.

As for me, I don't have anything to say about myself at the moment. Maybe in the future.


Why should quiet people be ignored, exactly? Baddies have a much greater incentive to hide in the shadows and reveal as little as possible about their thoughts on the game.
Kind of like you've been doing.


When did I say quiet people should be ignored?

As for me, I think we have one outed goodie too many. I'm not going to reveal myself unnecessarily. That wouldn't help. It's only the first day.


I'm not asking you to out yourself.
I'm asking why you to explain why you consider vocal players to be inherently more lynch-worthy than those who have said little.


I don't. It's just a place to start.


Care to explain why that is, then?

Posted by: Insaner Feb 6 2018, 08:38 PM
QUOTE (onetruth @ Feb 7 2018, 12:35 AM)
QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 6 2018, 08:24 PM)
QUOTE (onetruth @ Feb 6 2018, 07:20 PM)
QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 6 2018, 08:12 PM)
QUOTE (onetruth @ Feb 6 2018, 06:44 PM)
I voted for sh for pressure because it was early in the day. Activity has blown up since then. I didn't have a solid read on anyone. I don't want to be vote manipulated or inadvertently band wagon with baddies, so I will likely remove or change my vote before the day ends, although I'm not convinced sh isn't a baddie. What I don't get is the late bandwagon on bob after he said so little and there are others who have been much more vocal. I think votes have moved since then, but I still find it questionable.

I skimmed through but need to spend a few more min reading the last couple of pages more thoroughly.  Mo keeps pinging my radar as being suspicious, but araver hit on that. I dunno. He could still be a baddie or meanie indy.

As for me, I don't have anything to say about myself at the moment. Maybe in the future.


Why should quiet people be ignored, exactly? Baddies have a much greater incentive to hide in the shadows and reveal as little as possible about their thoughts on the game.
Kind of like you've been doing.


When did I say quiet people should be ignored?

As for me, I think we have one outed goodie too many. I'm not going to reveal myself unnecessarily. That wouldn't help. It's only the first day.


I'm not asking you to out yourself.
I'm asking why you to explain why you consider vocal players to be inherently more lynch-worthy than those who have said little.


I don't. It's just a place to start.

So are you saying that either me or Majes is a baddie? If you have information to back it up, I think it would be worth sharing it with everybody.

Otherwise, it just looks like a stalling tactic.

Posted by: onetruth Feb 6 2018, 08:46 PM
QUOTE (Insaner @ Feb 6 2018, 08:38 PM)
QUOTE (onetruth @ Feb 7 2018, 12:35 AM)
QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 6 2018, 08:24 PM)
QUOTE (onetruth @ Feb 6 2018, 07:20 PM)
QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 6 2018, 08:12 PM)
QUOTE (onetruth @ Feb 6 2018, 06:44 PM)
I voted for sh for pressure because it was early in the day. Activity has blown up since then. I didn't have a solid read on anyone. I don't want to be vote manipulated or inadvertently band wagon with baddies, so I will likely remove or change my vote before the day ends, although I'm not convinced sh isn't a baddie. What I don't get is the late bandwagon on bob after he said so little and there are others who have been much more vocal. I think votes have moved since then, but I still find it questionable.

I skimmed through but need to spend a few more min reading the last couple of pages more thoroughly.  Mo keeps pinging my radar as being suspicious, but araver hit on that. I dunno. He could still be a baddie or meanie indy.

As for me, I don't have anything to say about myself at the moment. Maybe in the future.


Why should quiet people be ignored, exactly? Baddies have a much greater incentive to hide in the shadows and reveal as little as possible about their thoughts on the game.
Kind of like you've been doing.


When did I say quiet people should be ignored?

As for me, I think we have one outed goodie too many. I'm not going to reveal myself unnecessarily. That wouldn't help. It's only the first day.


I'm not asking you to out yourself.
I'm asking why you to explain why you consider vocal players to be inherently more lynch-worthy than those who have said little.


I don't. It's just a place to start.

So are you saying that either me or Majes is a baddie? If you have information to back it up, I think it would be worth sharing it with everybody.

Otherwise, it just looks like a stalling tactic.


Really not sure where you got that. You're misreading something. I said I'd take your lead. How does that translate into me accusing you?

Posted by: sparrowhawk Feb 6 2018, 08:50 PM
QUOTE (Insaner @ Feb 6 2018, 04:29 PM)
I think we should lynch SH because hey.

"Because hey"? What kind of reason is that? Do you have a specific basis for wanting me gone? I'm trying to keep abreast of things and answer questions posed to me, but some people seem intent on railroading me no matter what. Up until now, you didn't seem to be one of them.

I've explained the reasons for my gambit at the beginning of the day, but all I've seen in response is "SH is scummy." I'm hoping I don't have to take one for the team, but there's been way too much outing as it is and I'm not going to narrow down my role.

I will continue to answer questions to the best of my ability, but I haven't really seen anything specific enough to respond to. If someone did ask something and I missed it, I apologize, but it's been hard to keep track of everything on the thread.

Posted by: Takari Feb 6 2018, 08:56 PM
QUOTE (sparrowhawk @ Feb 6 2018, 06:50 PM)
QUOTE (Insaner @ Feb 6 2018, 04:29 PM)
I think we should lynch SH because hey.

"Because hey"? What kind of reason is that? Do you have a specific basis for wanting me gone? I'm trying to keep abreast of things and answer questions posed to me, but some people seem intent on railroading me no matter what. Up until now, you didn't seem to be one of them.

I've explained the reasons for my gambit at the beginning of the day, but all I've seen in response is "SH is scummy." I'm hoping I don't have to take one for the team, but there's been way too much outing as it is and I'm not going to narrow down my role.

I will continue to answer questions to the best of my ability, but I haven't really seen anything specific enough to respond to. If someone did ask something and I missed it, I apologize, but it's been hard to keep track of everything on the thread.

Is it just me or does Insaner seem way too lynch happy so far...

Posted by: Machina Feb 6 2018, 09:03 PM
QUOTE (Takari @ Feb 6 2018, 07:56 PM)
QUOTE (sparrowhawk @ Feb 6 2018, 06:50 PM)
QUOTE (Insaner @ Feb 6 2018, 04:29 PM)
I think we should lynch SH because hey.

"Because hey"? What kind of reason is that? Do you have a specific basis for wanting me gone? I'm trying to keep abreast of things and answer questions posed to me, but some people seem intent on railroading me no matter what. Up until now, you didn't seem to be one of them.

I've explained the reasons for my gambit at the beginning of the day, but all I've seen in response is "SH is scummy." I'm hoping I don't have to take one for the team, but there's been way too much outing as it is and I'm not going to narrow down my role.

I will continue to answer questions to the best of my ability, but I haven't really seen anything specific enough to respond to. If someone did ask something and I missed it, I apologize, but it's been hard to keep track of everything on the thread.

Is it just me or does Insaner seem way too lynch happy so far...


He's a confirmed goodie. Of course he's going to aggressively scumhunt. He'd be playing badly if he didn't, IMO.
Got anything else you wanna add?

Posted by: Takari Feb 6 2018, 09:05 PM
QUOTE (Machina @ Feb 6 2018, 07:03 PM)
QUOTE (Takari @ Feb 6 2018, 07:56 PM)
QUOTE (sparrowhawk @ Feb 6 2018, 06:50 PM)
QUOTE (Insaner @ Feb 6 2018, 04:29 PM)
I think we should lynch SH because hey.

"Because hey"? What kind of reason is that? Do you have a specific basis for wanting me gone? I'm trying to keep abreast of things and answer questions posed to me, but some people seem intent on railroading me no matter what. Up until now, you didn't seem to be one of them.

I've explained the reasons for my gambit at the beginning of the day, but all I've seen in response is "SH is scummy." I'm hoping I don't have to take one for the team, but there's been way too much outing as it is and I'm not going to narrow down my role.

I will continue to answer questions to the best of my ability, but I haven't really seen anything specific enough to respond to. If someone did ask something and I missed it, I apologize, but it's been hard to keep track of everything on the thread.

Is it just me or does Insaner seem way too lynch happy so far...


He's a confirmed goodie. Of course he's going to aggressively scumhunt. He'd be playing badly if he didn't, IMO.
Got anything else you wanna add?

Nope, just the first thought of mine that hasn't already been said

Posted by: Marquessa Feb 6 2018, 09:08 PM
Yes he is...but then again Insaner is aggressive...nothing new or strange with that

Posted by: Marquessa Feb 6 2018, 09:08 PM
Yes he is...but then again Insaner is aggressive...nothing new or strange with that

Posted by: Marquessa Feb 6 2018, 09:08 PM
Yes he is...but then again Insaner is aggressive...nothing new or strange with that

Posted by: Machina Feb 6 2018, 09:17 PM
QUOTE (Marquessa @ Feb 6 2018, 08:08 PM)
Yes he is...but then again Insaner is aggressive...nothing new or strange with that


No **** sherlock.
I'll ask you as well, got anything of substance you want to add? This is one of, if not the most pointless (triple) post I've seen in this thread so far, outside of N1 banter.

Do either of you have anything better to do?
Any reads?
Suggestions?
Or other info to share?

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