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|QUOTE (araver @ Nov 10 2017, 05:45 AM)|
|Added a few clarifications.|
Wondering if plasmid is still around to take a look so I can host this after STV (too much space-opera? there is no such thing. Besides, we got another lane empty anyways).
|QUOTE (plasmid @ Nov 11 2017, 06:05 PM)|
Need more explanation on how ability distribution from the pool will work.
First off, how does a player get an ability from the pool -- random assignment at the start of the game or do you have to do something to get an ability given to you?
>> Random assignment
There's an ability pool with seven abilities, and there are eleven players in the game (ten if you exclude the indy from the ability pool, but the OP says it involves all players), so do some players go vanilla? Are there multiple copies of some abilities? (I'm guessing not since there's talk of exchanging your ability for a random ability still in the pool but idk.)
>> I thought to include two copies of each ability, so that no CC can be done.
Would the players have any way of knowing which abilities are still in the pool, and therefore what they might get if they exchange theirs? Does a player become vanilla if they try to exchange when there are no abilities in the pool, or does the exchange attempt just fail?
>> No you don't get to know what is behind door #2.
If the pool is empty you may get nothing and become vanilla.
Learning if others have done it before or not may influence one's decision but nothing is certain. 14-11=3 left in the pool.
Can baddies get the kill ability? That'd be pretty overpowered. But there's 8 goodies vs 2 baddies so maybe not.
>> The baddies are 2 not 3 because they can get a kill ability and goodies are more uninformed than usual - they don't know each other's abilities. Plus the NP does not show too much info to narrow down / early PoE role discovery.
Can indy get the role spy ability?
The wincon formulation is a tongue in cheek reference to the actual Orville episode. I will rephrase that in the OP: The Indy needs to snatch at least 2 out of 3 persons. This may or may not include a baddie. Once this is done, the Indy wins and game stops. No tie wins possible.
You want 8 goodies vs 2 baddies?
>> Yes. As I said above, I think goodies not knowing the role+ability pairs coupled with the fact baddies that may get effective combos (an extreme case being RID+spy combos) makes it closer to a 8vs3/9vs3 scenario. Plus the Indy unbalancing factor who prevents both teams from winning.
Balance is tricky because of random ability distribution but the switch is a player decision that can influence both teams. I agree I am still experimenting with this switch mechanic, but I think it adds enough ways for each team to customize their strategy.
|QUOTE (araver @ Nov 11 2017, 03:40 PM)|
|QUOTE (plasmid @ Nov 12 2017, 02:24 AM)|
I'm a little leery of having the possibility of a kill ability (or two kill abilities if random.org feels malevolent) going into baddie hands and saying it's countered by the fact that it's 2 vs 8. But not so leery that I would say you can't run it that way if you want.
>>OK, I would specifically add that the first random distribution does not contain more than 1 Kill/RID Kill ability for the baddies. They may draw another kill at the risk of becoming vanilla.
Mechanically, there might be a timing issue with making ability swaps instantaneous -- if someone swaps out an ability during a night phase and doesn't get informed what their new ability is before they go to sleep, then they're stuck not acting that phase.
>>I would accept conditional actions ... and yes, time-zone issues may interfere, without a co-host I am down 8h/phase, however swapping is a risky operation in itself and mostly there for "in case of emergency break glass" scenarios.
Only other thing I would add to the OP is to say explicitly whether abilities go back into the pool if a player dies or swaps out their ability, or if the ability is lost forever. I'm guessing both are lost since it's possible to have an empty pool but I might be wrong about if players die.
But overall I say ok to post signups however you decide about any of the above.