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Posted by: araver Jan 10 2018, 12:57 AM
Amber Mafia III: Final Countdown

Warning: Contains spoilers (if you plan to read the books)

Short intro: The war between Chaos and Amber has ended with an Amberite win. (see http://mafiamaniac.net/index.php?showtopic=693). Eric died in the battle cursing the King of Chaos, Oberon repaired the Pattern but disappeared shortly after, while the insane traitor Brand has been dealt with by Corwin. The defeated Courts of Chaos settle in an uneasy peace, divided between those that hate the Amberites and those that worship them secretly. Corwin disappears shortly after recounting all his adventures to his son, Merlin. Then the next generation of the courts started another fight - the chapter seen in http://mafiamaniac.net/index.php?showtopic=2944. However at the end of the struggled, the Pattern and the Logrus were unhappy with the results and have forced the time to roll back to a few years after the end of the Chaos Wars.

The struggle between Order and Chaos continues with the factions from Amber Mafia II:
* 4 Factions x 2 players with no initial BTSC, but can meet and establish BTSC during the game. Know each other.
* 9 Independents which can be recruited into any of the factions and have secret abilities.

Roles and Faction description

Merlin's Band:
1. Merlin (100%) - the son of Prince Corwin of Amber and Lady Dara of Chaos, born and raised in the Courts of Chaos. He studied Computer Science on Shadow Earth, inspired by his father love for the place. Being of both Chaos and Amber, he is one of the few people to have traversed both the Pattern and the Logrus, and as such is capable of both spell-casting, shape-shifting and Trump creation. Ability: Can create a Trump to an individual to send a targeted kill through (RID Kill).
2. Ghostwheel (50%)- a trump- and pattern-based computer developed by Merlin in a Shadow where Earth physics do not apply. After its creation, Merlin designed it to index the Shadows similar to a search engine. It sees Merlin as its "Dad" as it is sentient and resists any attempts to be shut down. Ability: Can move one individual through Shadows, leaving him confused for the night, but also safe from all actions against him (Trap) or Can create an instance of itself and send it into the shadows to spy on another individual (Faction spy).


Luke's Revenge:
3. Rinaldo (also known as Luke) (100%) - the son of Brand and Jasra, a colleague of Merlin in Berkeley on Shadow Earth. Luke plots his revenge against the Royal Family of Amber because they killed his father Brand. He is strong, intelligent and has a salesman's ability to convince people and make them do things he wants. Ability: Can create a series of events that lead to a deadly trap, as long as knows his target's identity and preferences (RID Kill)
4. Jasra (50%) - a powerful sorceress, mother of Luke, tutor of Julia, former handmaid to Dara and deposed ruler of the Keep of Four Worlds. She has venomous lips and a thirst for power. Ability: She can use her spells to follow others for one night (Faction spy) or Can challenge one individual to combat, best and imprison his adversaries in a crystal cave for the night. The crystal cave prevents any action on the individual (Trap)


Courts of Amber:
5. King Random (100%) - son of Oberon, once a sneaky rascal often irritating and called a 'punk' by older siblings. In the past he found himself helping Corwin to regain his memory and supporting him for the throne of Amber. After the final battle at the Courts of Chaos, the Unicorn chose Random himself to succeed Oberon as King of Amber. He has strength of an Amberite in combat, however, being physically small and not as skilled as his brothers, he would normally prefer to run from a fight. Ability: As king of Amber and former rascal, he has access to a ring of assasins spread throughout the Shadows. However, he is reluctant to use them unless Amber is clearly threatened by an individual (RID Kill)
6. Queen Vialle (50%) - a blind noblewoman from Rebma (Amber's mirror world under the seas) whom Random was forced to marry as a punishment for his previous misdemeanor. To everyone's surprise, the marriage worked out well. She is artistic, creating sculptures by touch, specializing in busts of the Amberites. Ability: As a queen loved by her subjects, she can use her followers once per night and send them into the shadows to spy on another individual (Faction spy) or can send agents of the court into the shadows to keep another person occupied for a while (Trap)


Courts of Chaos:
7. Dara (100%) - great-granddaughter of Benedict of Amber, Corwin's lover, mother of Merlin. She tricked Corwin and sneaked into Amber and walked the Pattern before the Chaos Wars erupted. She has raised all her sons to ensure at least one is high enough in the succession line, especially Merlin whom she though she could keep away from the Amberite inheritance. Ability: Can attempt to remove "obstacles" from her plans but only after carefully considering all alternatives (RID Kill)
8. King Swayvil (50%)- King of Chaos, ill after Eric cursed him in the final battle of the Chaos Wars. Wants to protect the Courts from a succession wars that will inevitably errupt after his death. He sends his agents deep within the Shadows. Ability: Can identify players involved in the game between the higher powers using the Logrus' powers (Faction Spy) or Can send a projection across the Shadows to kidnap another pawn and keep the target out of the game for a night (Trap)


Independents: Each can win with Faction if recruited, else win by staying alive (if either one faction wins by majority or all factions are wiped out). Each has a secret ability.
9. Dworkin (???%) - mad sorcerer, author of the Pattern and father of Oberon. When the Primal Pattern of Amber was damaged, Dworkin went mad for the pattern was a reflection of his mind. He proposed the destruction of the Pattern and was deemed to be dangerous and unstable. Subsequently imprisoned by Oberon, he was restored to sanity after the end of the Chaos Wars.
10. Corwin (???%) - Son of Oberon, secretly kidnapped and imprisoned in the Shadows after the end of the Chaos Wars, he is blocked inside a loop of recollections of the past. If found, he will put his sword Grayswandir (also known as the Night Blade) to good use.
11. Fiona (???%) - Daughter of Oberon of Amber, survivor of the Redhead faction, the best sorceress of the family, a deft mind and stunning beauty. With Bleys, she was one of the original co-conspirators with Brand to unseat Oberon and take the throne. Renouncing Brand, she has found herself on a lonelier path after Chaos Wars ended.
12. Mandor (???%) - Merlin's stepbrother, although not related by blood. A machiavellian manipulator, well versed in the Courts of Chaos inner circles.
13. The Ty'iga (???%) - a bodyless demon who inhabits the bodies of others. When she leaves one's body the possessed person feels like waking up from a sleep and has no memory of the intervening time. Once set by Dara on a mission to protect Merlin, she has since regained her own free will.
14. Dalt (???%) - another of Oberon's illegitimate sons, a mercenary who possesses a keen hatred of Amber, Luke's childhood friend. Dalt is very strong and hard to kill as evidenced by the miraculous recovery from being impaled with a sword by Benedict.
15. Suhuy (???%) - keeper of the Logrus, Dworkin’s arch-enemy since he stole the Eye of the Serpent and created the Pattern.
16. Jurt (???%) - Merlin's stepbrother, son of Dara (Merlin's mother), hates Merlin and would stop at nothing to get him killed.
17. Sorceress Mask (???%) - Currently holds the Keep of Four Worlds after banishing Jasra from it. Secrets from her past draw her to Merlin's path. With a vengeance of course.

Pool of secret abilities for Independents (public pool of secrets - won't know who has which ability, but will know all the possible secrets in the game):
* Can use spells to find the faction of a player (Faction spy)
* Can eavesdrop on the Trumps each night - choose a person and is told who they targeted (Follow Spy)
* Can save a person but not the same twice in a row (Save)
* Cannot die N1 and any night can choose to resist recruiting


Night Rules


Each night, players can either use one of their abilities OR try to recruit another person to their faction (not both).

BTSC-by-meeting:
* As a side-effect of acting on the same person, players from the same faction can meet and establish BTSC. E.g. if A targets C AND B targets C AND neither is blocked.
* They can also meet if A targets B AND B does not submit an action. But if B is trapped and A is not the one that trapped him, A's action on B will fail hence the meet will not happen.
* The recruit will share BTSC with the others only if he meets with one of the faction (as above) from the moment he/she is recruited (including the night he/she is recruited!). If A recruits B successfully then A targeting B is taken into account for BTSC-by-meeting rules.
* Any player meeting with another of his faction will share the same unique Faction BTSC, there cannot be multiple BTSCs for the same faction.

Recruiting:
* Amberites can choose to walk the Pattern, Chaos beings can choose to walk the Logrus. Those with composite blood can choose either. Walking the Pattern or Logrus gives the bearer the possibility of recruiting a player (blood type of the target does not matter): if the target is an un-recruited independent the target is recruited.
* If two or more factions try to recruit the same player, the same night, they will BOTH fail.
* Result of recruit is PMed to both the recruiter and his target along with the name of the faction. The night-post only reveals how many recruits attempts were on that night but not how many were successful.
* Walking the Pattern/Logrus is not always safe. Each role has a probability attached of successfully walking the Pattern/Logrus as a 50-75-100% chance of success. If walking the Pattern/Logrus fails, it kills the person that tries to walk it. If walking works, then the recruit attempt happens and the walker lives regardless if the recruit attempt is successful. Probabilities decrease with 25% each time the Pattern/Logrus is walked by that person (no matter if the recruit works/fails).

Order of actions:
* Deterministic verse with Chronological order of actions
* OOA: Walking the Pattern/Logrus >> Trap >> RID Kill >> Spy. Notice the >>: Right action can NEVER prevent an action to its left since it happens AFTER it chronologically speaking!
* Trap acts as a block against the target's actions AND all actions against the target (except a trap). Basically a form of invulnerability. Does not prevent the target from recruiting or being recruited.
* What appears in the NP: Successful traps and kills and players dying after walking the Pattern/Logrus.
* Same type of actions targeting each other (or in chain) -> All actions happen (E.g. A tries to kill B who tries to kill C -> both B and C are killed).
* Same type of actions targeting same player -> All actions happen (E.g. A and C both try to trap B -> B is double-trapped).

Day Rules

What are sequences?
* Instead of one massive mandatory host-started kill-vote during the day, the players can themselves start independent voting structures called "sequences".
* Each sequence is started by an "initiator" and targeted to a "victim".
* People can vote FOR the sequence or CON (AGAINST) the sequence.

How does a majority pass a sequence?
* Everyone has x1 voting power.
* Everyone can vote (if he or she chooses) exactly once on each sequence that is brought up.
* Votes can be changed around but only until the sequence is passed or denied.
* Each player can have at most 1 normal/End-of-Day sequence plus 1 courier sequence per day (so at most 2 sequences).
* The initiator can choose to remove his sequence at any time if he decided it wasn't going to pass, or if he wanted to start a difference sequence instead. Though once a sequence passes, it can't be taken back.

How does a majority pass a sequence?
* Absolute majority – total number of living players divided by two (ignoring the .5 on the end if there is an odd number of living players) and adding 1. E.g for 8 living players absolute majority is 5 (8/2+1), for 9 players it is 5 (9/2-0.5+1).
* Simple majority – total number of players that voted for that sequence divided by two (again ignoring the .5 on the end) and adding 1. Simple majority requires at least 3 votes for the same option. E.g. if a sequence has 3-PRO and 2-CON at the end of day, it has 5 players who voted so a simple majority is 3 (5/2-0.5+1). So it passes. E.g. if a sequence has 2-PRO and 0-CON at the end of day, it does not pass since it requires 3 votes for the same option. If it has 3-PRO and 0-CON (or 1-CON or 2-CON) at the end of the day, then it is passed.
* There is no vote manipulation, all sequences are public and are passed (without host's interference) if they have absolute majority (more than half of alive players). At the end of the day all remaining sequences are evaluated for simple majority.

In short, sequences can be:
* passed immediately if an absolute majority votes PRO
* denied immediately if an absolute majority votes CON
* passed at the end of day if the sequence has a simple majority voting PRO
* denied at the end of day if the sequence has a simple majority voting CON

What types of sequences are there?

There are 2 types of sequences:
* End-of-Day actions: e.g. "Lynch" - if successfully passed will result in the victim being lynched at the END OF THE DAY.
** FREEZE: Target is blocked for the night. This prevents responding to couriers and acts as a trap for the night.
** SPOTLIGHT: Target will be spotlighted during the next night - all actions on target will appear in the NP regardless if they appear normally.
** LYNCH: Target is lynched and identity & faction is revealed at the end of the day. Can only be passed by absolute majority.
* Immediate actions:
** COURIER: Initiator can send one message to target and receive a response by the end of the next night (The host has to be CCed).

What's the catch?

The day has 36 hours:
* 24 hours in which you can initiate sequences
* final 12 hours in which you can ONLY VOTE on already initiated sequences

You can also use the final 12-hours of the day to send an action for the next night if you wish. It will be taken into consideration after the day ends and all sequences are evaluated by host.


How to start/vote on a sequence?

Notations for sequences:
Spoiler for x

Posted by: araver Jan 10 2018, 01:03 AM
Signups are open. I think I can host alone if no one would rather co-host. It's hard to get 17 signupees as it is. Just have a little patience during the day.

*araver asks you to vote if you are PRO or CON using encryption in the game thread. If neutral, abstain. Thank you.

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No backups, just NPCs http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/tongue.gif

Posted by: maurice Jan 10 2018, 01:17 AM
17 players?

Maybe we should call in the old timers...

onetruth
Zaphod
golfjunkie
Glycereine
Darth Nox
benjer3
Shad
Vineetrika


As for me, I'll take 13 please.

After Amber, I went and studied in preparation for revenge. I missed Amber II. But that just gave me more time to study.

Spoiler for my study guide

Posted by: maurice Jan 10 2018, 01:22 AM

*araver asks you to vote if you are PRO or CON using encryption in the game thread. If neutral, abstain. Thank you.

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Posted by: maurice Jan 10 2018, 01:31 AM
Also I demand that not only Yuli and Hirkala sign up, but their unborn children do as well.

Posted by: sparrowhawk Jan 10 2018, 02:17 AM
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Posted by: Yuli Jan 10 2018, 02:21 AM
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EDIT: I do vote CON

Posted by: Machina Jan 10 2018, 02:21 AM
I'd jump in, but honestly this is way beyond my ability to process at the moment, what with being new to forum mafia and all.
I could try to learn as I go, but I don't want to bog down a theme you've clearly put a lot of time and effort into by not playing at my best.
Good luck getting 17 players!

Posted by: Hirkala Jan 10 2018, 02:24 AM
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17. Yuli - con

Posted by: Yuli Jan 10 2018, 02:25 AM
Marquessa: !

maurice: I also picked up the series. Finished it shortly after that. Read it again for good measure. LOVE it. Since then, I can't get enough Zelazny. I picked up the Diceless RPG and had a lot of fun with it.

Posted by: araver Jan 10 2018, 02:41 AM
QUOTE (Machina @ Jan 10 2018, 08:21 AM)
I'd jump in, but honestly this is way beyond my ability to process at the moment, what with being new to forum mafia and all.
I could try to learn as I go, but I don't want to bog down a theme you've clearly put a lot of time and effort into by not playing at my best.
Good luck getting 17 players!

Thank you.

I will obviously respect your (final) call on this, but let me just add that this is supposed to be (organized) madness http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/biggrin.gif

The setup is multi-faction instead of traditional, although there are several hybrids per year with this kind of setup, that may not be the flavor everyone likes.

The extra layer of day sequences instead of a single lynch has only been used in 2 games in the last 8 years so there's no one having the upper hand here (though there are people who played those).

Posted by: Machina Jan 10 2018, 02:56 AM
QUOTE (araver @ Jan 10 2018, 01:41 AM)
QUOTE (Machina @ Jan 10 2018, 08:21 AM)
I'd jump in, but honestly this is way beyond my ability to process at the moment, what with being new to forum mafia and all.
I could try to learn as I go, but I don't want to bog down a theme you've clearly put a lot of time and effort into by not playing at my best.
Good luck getting 17 players!

Thank you.

I will obviously respect your (final) call on this, but let me just add that this is supposed to be (organized) madness http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/biggrin.gif

The setup is multi-faction instead of traditional, although there are several hybrids per year with this kind of setup, that may not be the flavor everyone likes.

The extra layer of day sequences instead of a single lynch has only been used in 2 games in the last 8 years so there's no one having the upper hand here (though there are people who played those).


If I can manage to wrap my head around it, I'll certainly consider changing my mind, but it's just a lot to take in when my fundamentals are still a bit shaky. I'm not even sure what questions to ask in order to get a better understanding of what's going on here.

Posted by: Boquise Jan 10 2018, 04:52 AM
Hehehehehe
I barely understand any set-up and just go in blind tbh

Sign me up as 8, and abstain on vote until I have time to read what this encryption is about (skimmed the OP)

Posted by: onetruth Jan 10 2018, 08:08 AM
Curse you. How did you know I wanted to play a game? When is the expected start date? My schedule is slammed until Monday, including a couple days of a lot of driving, but I guess I could sign up as a maybe or a backup for now.

Also, hi everyone!

Posted by: maurice Jan 10 2018, 09:20 AM
QUOTE (onetruth @ Jan 10 2018, 06:08 AM)
Curse you. How did you know I wanted to play a game? When is the expected start date? My schedule is slammed until Monday, including a couple days of a lot of driving, but I guess I could sign up as a maybe or a backup for now.

Also, hi everyone!


http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/ohmy.gif

I have mystic powers :gazes at hands in awe:

17 is a lot of players. I'll let araver address the expected start date but I gotta imagine it will be some days... Unless my powers summoned others

Posted by: araver Jan 10 2018, 10:24 AM
araver asks you to vote if you are PRO or CON using encryption in the game thread. If neutral, abstain. Thank you.

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16. Hirkala - Con
17. Yuli - con

Backup
1. Onetruth (to be moved upwards on Monday)

Posted by: Okosan Jan 10 2018, 10:48 AM
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Backup
1. Onetruth (to be moved upwards on Monday)

http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/dumbo.gif

Posted by: araver Jan 10 2018, 10:55 AM
Boquise - http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/tongue.gif okay, like imma gonna believe you.
Oh, wait, I am the host, I am supposed to believe you. http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/frantic.gif

onetruth - I don't expect signups to end till the weekend, perhaps Monday. So I'm probably gonna alert you on Monday http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/wink.gif
Welcome back by the way http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/biggrin.gif

maurice - your mantras may be needed further http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/yes.gif Though I can always cut Indies due to budget constraints (I've done that a lot in 2017), I'd really like a shiny rainbow right about now.




Posted by: araver Jan 10 2018, 11:13 AM
1. sparrowhawk - con
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16. Hirkala - Con
17. Yuli - con

Backup
1. Onetruth (to be moved upwards on Monday)

Time to start removing the rust on this (colors are just for fun, not part of the rules):

Absolute Majority: 17 players alive/2+1 = 9
Simple Majority needed: PRO >= 6 votes/2 (but no less than 3) = 3

USE CRYPTO [PRO 0] [CON 3] Yuli, SH, Hirk [ABSTAIN 3] Maurice, Okosan, Boquise


Posted by: Machina Jan 10 2018, 06:04 PM
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17. Yuli - con

Backup
1. Onetruth (to be moved upwards on Monday)

Ah f*** it, I've got nothing to lose. I imagine I'd be more useful than an NPC, at least.

Posted by: Hachi Jan 10 2018, 06:13 PM
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Backup
1. Onetruth (to be moved upwards on Monday)

Ah jeeze I guess I have to try too.

Posted by: Yuli Jan 10 2018, 06:54 PM
Machina and Hachi: I'll say that in all of the years I've been playing forum mafia, Amber games are at the very peak of the awesomeness I've experienced. You're in for a treat.

Posted by: Hachi Jan 10 2018, 06:58 PM
QUOTE (Yuli @ Jan 10 2018, 05:54 PM)
Machina and Hachi: I'll say that in all of the years I've been playing forum mafia, Amber games are at the very peak of the awesomeness I've experienced.  You're in for a treat.


I'm going to be a Trainwreck

Posted by: Machina Jan 10 2018, 08:01 PM
Questions:
Is there any difference to walking the Pattern or Logrus, and if not, do they share the same cumulative failure chance buildup?
How exactly do couriers work? I've no experience with them. The messages are relayed by the host, right?
Are the indy abilities 100% randomized, or weighted by flavor?

Posted by: deoxygenated Jan 11 2018, 02:01 AM
1. sparrowhawk - con
2. Machina - con
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6. deoxy - abstain
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13. maurice - abstains
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16. Hirkala - Con
17. Yuli - con

Backup
1. Onetruth (to be moved upwards on Monday)

I haven’t finished reading the OP but put me down for it

Posted by: Yuli Jan 11 2018, 02:58 AM
QUOTE (deoxygenated @ Jan 11 2018, 01:01 AM)

I haven’t finished reading the OP but put me down for it

Spoiler for M

Posted by: araver Jan 11 2018, 03:15 AM
QUOTE (Machina @ Jan 11 2018, 02:01 AM)
Questions:
1. Is there any difference to walking the Pattern or Logrus, and if not, do they share the same cumulative failure chance buildup?
2.How exactly do couriers work? I've no experience with them. The messages are relayed by the host, right?
3.Are the indy abilities 100% randomized, or weighted by flavor?

1. No. There was a difference in previous games and the flavor remained. Therr is now a single percentage taken into account.
2. A messages B - 1 PM. B can respond with 1 PM.
Traditionally, it was direct communication, the host was only CCed.

I'm gonna have to recheck cause I saw some interesting plays when messages are relayed through host.

3. Random at the start of the game.

Posted by: Boquise Jan 11 2018, 08:28 AM
QUOTE (Hachi @ Jan 10 2018, 11:58 PM)
QUOTE (Yuli @ Jan 10 2018, 05:54 PM)
Machina and Hachi: I'll say that in all of the years I've been playing forum mafia, Amber games are at the very peak of the awesomeness I've experienced.  You're in for a treat.


I'm going to be a Trainwreck

This'll be me
user posted image

Posted by: golfjunkie Jan 12 2018, 02:33 PM
Please sign me up and abstain

Posted by: maurice Jan 12 2018, 03:12 PM
1. sparrowhawk - con
2. Machina - con
3. golfjunkie - abstains
4. Hachi - con
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8. Boquise - abstain
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10. Okosan - abstain
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13. maurice - abstains
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16. Hirkala - Con
17. Yuli - con

Backup
1. Onetruth (to be moved upwards on Monday)


Posted by: Majeswandar Jan 12 2018, 04:55 PM
I'm game, missed the last two amber games sadly

Posted by: plasmid Jan 13 2018, 02:45 PM
1. sparrowhawk - con
2. Machina - con
3. golfjunkie - abstains
4. Hachi - con
5. Majeswandar - abstain
6. deoxy - abstain
7. plasmid - pro
8. Boquise - abstain
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10. Okosan - abstain
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13. maurice - abstains
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16. Hirkala - Con
17. Yuli - con

Backup
1. Onetruth (to be moved upwards on Monday)

I know it's not going to pass but TBH I like giving players more options for what to do, as long as there are countermeasures (like in this case clobbering anyone who goes and posts messages you can't read).

araver Does that only apply to blatantly encrypted messages so it's still fine to do stuff like send instructions for smiley codes or first letters of each sentence codes or instructions to convert a short string you want to send to a decimal number and find a way to nonchalantly post smth like "You'd better cooperate with this plan I'm proposing or you get 43819075680332061893765248007489305624700189350264084951069872044160532078901845062353370189678804811375556 lashes", or will such instructions be censored from messages?

Posted by: Insaner Jan 14 2018, 04:40 AM
1. sparrowhawk - con
2. Machina - con
3. golfjunkie - abstains
4. Hachi - con
5. Majeswandar - abstain
6. deoxy - abstain
7. plasmid - pro
8. Boquise - abstain
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13. maurice - abstains
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15. Insaner - Con
16. Hirkala - Con
17. Yuli - con

Backup
1. Onetruth (to be moved upwards on Monday)

Posted by: Marquessa Jan 14 2018, 05:05 AM
1. sparrowhawk - con
2. Machina - con
3. golfjunkie - abstains
4. Hachi - con
5. Majeswandar - abstain
6. deoxy - abstain
7. plasmid - pro
8. Boquise - abstain
9.
10. Okosan - abstain
11. Marq
12.
13. maurice - abstains
14.
15. Insaner - Con
16. Hirkala - Con
17. Yuli - con

Backup
1. Onetruth (to be moved upwards on Monday)

Posted by: Bob Sacamano Jan 14 2018, 11:10 AM
Can anyone tell me what is this whole encryption thing?

Posted by: Yuli Jan 14 2018, 11:45 AM
QUOTE (Bob Sacamano @ Jan 14 2018, 10:10 AM)
Can anyone tell me what is this whole encryption thing?

There exists in the mechanics of this game a way to send other players limited private messages. In previous games, players have used this opportunity to send a cipher system and key so that further communication in the main thread can occur. It occurs publicly, but the messages are encrypted so nobody else knows what is being said.

It has some pros and cons both in-game and out-of-game. In game pros are that the players can continue communication. The con is that other players can see them communicating, even if they don't know what they're saying.

Out-of-game cons is that it gets really difficult to "translate" these messages back to normal text for folks who might want to read the game thread sometime after the game is concluded.

The out-of-game con is the reason I voted against encryption. I like the concept of encryption in a game, as a general rule.

Posted by: araver Jan 14 2018, 02:45 PM
QUOTE (plasmid @ Jan 13 2018, 08:45 PM)


araver Does that only apply to blatantly encrypted messages so it's still fine to do stuff like send instructions for smiley codes or first letters of each sentence codes or instructions to convert a short string you want to send to a decimal number and find a way to nonchalantly post smth like "You'd better cooperate with this plan I'm proposing or you get 43819075680332061893765248007489305624700189350264084951069872044160532078901845062353370189678804811375556 lashes", or will such instructions be censored from messages?

Sorry for the delay. Extra shifts / death march.

Blatant. As defined by host. Ask beforehand if not sure. But the list contains any protocol of communication (with or without external sites/tools) that appears as random or obfuscated text to other players. If you manage to avoid being detected by other players, gg and and have fun.

Also, host does not and cannot censor couriers. Courier actions can be done by PM directly to player couriered, while CCing the host (I know it is hard on mobile but not impossible http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/tongue.gif). One ping forward, one reply back.

But host does reserve the right to modkill if rules are severely broken after game begins http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/tongue.gif the place to discuss rules is beforehand (or ghost thread).


Posted by: araver Jan 14 2018, 02:47 PM
Thank you Yuli for that explanation. It fits perfectly.

Re out-of-game, there have been translations post-game (for Amber I I think) even though they require a lot of post-work.

Posted by: Boquise Jan 14 2018, 03:21 PM
QUOTE (Bob Sacamano @ Jan 14 2018, 04:10 PM)
Can anyone tell me what is this whole encryption thing?

What happened to your username, Barc? http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/surprise.gif

Posted by: Shad Jan 14 2018, 08:43 PM
QUOTE (maurice @ Jan 10 2018, 12:17 AM)
17 players?

Maybe we should call in the old timers...

Shad

As for me, I'll take 13 please.


lol wut I have never played a single game on this site before

Posted by: maurice Jan 14 2018, 10:00 PM
QUOTE (Shad @ Jan 14 2018, 06:43 PM)
QUOTE (maurice @ Jan 10 2018, 12:17 AM)
17 players?

Maybe we should call in the old timers...

Shad

As for me, I'll take 13 please.


lol wut I have never played a single game on this site before


LOL... Oops.


Meant Shad_mod

Posted by: Bob Sacamano Jan 15 2018, 05:48 AM
QUOTE (Boquise @ Jan 15 2018, 03:21 AM)
QUOTE (Bob Sacamano @ Jan 14 2018, 04:10 PM)
Can anyone tell me what is this whole encryption thing?

What happened to your username, Barc? http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/surprise.gif


I am Bob, nice to meet you http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/wave.gif

Yuli thank you for the explanation. I would abstain.

Posted by: Boquise Jan 15 2018, 06:19 AM
QUOTE (Bob Sacamano @ Jan 15 2018, 10:48 AM)
QUOTE (Boquise @ Jan 15 2018, 03:21 AM)
QUOTE (Bob Sacamano @ Jan 14 2018, 04:10 PM)
Can anyone tell me what is this whole encryption thing?

What happened to your username, Barc? http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/surprise.gif


I am Bob, nice to meet you http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/wave.gif

Yuli thank you for the explanation. I would abstain.

You ain't foolin' me http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/glare.gif

Posted by: Yuli Jan 15 2018, 11:17 AM
QUOTE (Boquise @ Jan 15 2018, 05:19 AM)
QUOTE (Bob Sacamano @ Jan 15 2018, 10:48 AM)
QUOTE (Boquise @ Jan 15 2018, 03:21 AM)
QUOTE (Bob Sacamano @ Jan 14 2018, 04:10 PM)
Can anyone tell me what is this whole encryption thing?

What happened to your username, Barc? http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/surprise.gif


I am Bob, nice to meet you http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/wave.gif

Yuli thank you for the explanation. I would abstain.

You ain't foolin' me http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/glare.gif

I guess...you could compare http://mafiamaniac.net/index.php?act=Awards&id=249 to http://mafiamaniac.wikia.com/wiki/Barc#Awards as verification.

Or we could just pretend Barc never existed. But then I'd ask you who we're pretending didn't exist, because I already forgot.

onetruth: It is Monday. Welcome to the roster.

Posted by: araver Jan 15 2018, 04:59 PM
QUOTE (Bob Sacamano @ Jan 15 2018, 11:48 AM)
I am Bob, nice to meet you  http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/wave.gif

Yuli thank you for the explanation. I would abstain.


The last part implies you are signing up? http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/idk.gif

Posted by: araver Jan 15 2018, 05:04 PM
Current roster:
1. sparrowhawk - con
2. Machina - con
3. golfjunkie - abstains
4. Hachi - con
5. Majeswandar - abstain
6. deoxy - abstain
7. plasmid - pro
8. Boquise - abstain
9.
10. Okosan - abstain
11. Marq
12.
13. maurice - abstains
14.
15. Insaner - Con
16. Hirkala - Con
17. Yuli - con

Backup
1. Onetruth (to be moved upwards on Monday)

Reposting b/c of page:
onetruth - you're welcome to join if you are "free"-er post-Monday.

Same proposal for Barc's alter-ego in previous post.

Also, since we're almost ready to start, I'm gonna go ahead and say that I am thrilled of the signups and since the hype is up, I'm gonna start this.
However my IRL workload fluctuates outside my control this year (definitely not my greatest year so far) so there may be nights/days that will get to be scummed because of that / delays in NP. Apologies in advance.

Posted by: onetruth Jan 15 2018, 08:27 PM
I can join, but I am too lazy/busy to figure out how this site works these days on cell phones, so someone else will have to add me. Or wait for me to go all the way over to my laptop over there. *points* Also, I need to still read through everything. I'll check it all out tomorrow, since sign ups aren't full.

Posted by: Hachi Jan 15 2018, 08:34 PM
Current roster:
1. sparrowhawk - con
2. Machina - con
3. golfjunkie - abstains
4. Hachi - con
5. Majeswandar - abstain
6. deoxy - abstain
7. plasmid - pro
8. Boquise - abstain
9. Onetruth
10. Okosan - abstain
11. Marq
12.
13. maurice - abstains
14.
15. Insaner - Con
16. Hirkala - Con
17. Yuli - con

Backup


QUOTE (onetruth @ Jan 15 2018, 07:27 PM)
I can join, but I am too lazy/busy to figure out how this site works these days on cell phones, so someone else will have to add me. Or wait for me to go all the way over to my laptop over there. *points* Also, I need to still read through everything. I'll check it all out tomorrow, since sign ups aren't full.


You can click a post and an option to quote will appear and let you edit the quoted post if you can't C/P. Anyway I did it for you.

Posted by: deoxygenated Jan 15 2018, 09:18 PM
Current roster:
1. sparrowhawk - con
2. Machina - con
3. golfjunkie - abstains
4. Hachi - con
5. Majeswandar - abstain
6.
7. plasmid - pro
8. Boquise - abstain
9. Onetruth
10. Okosan - abstain
11. Marq
12.
13. maurice - abstains
14.
15. Insaner - Con
16. Hirkala - Con
17. Yuli - con

Backup


Sorry, gonna have to back out. IRL stuff. Have fun with the game!

Posted by: Bob Sacamano Jan 16 2018, 05:22 AM
Current roster:
1. sparrowhawk - con
2. Machina - con
3. golfjunkie - abstains
4. Hachi - con
5. Majeswandar - abstain
6.
7. plasmid - pro
8. Boquise - abstain
9. Onetruth
10. Okosan - abstain
11. Marq
12. Bob (aka Barc)
13. maurice - abstains
14.
15. Insaner - Con
16. Hirkala - Con
17. Yuli - con

Backup

Posted by: Framm Jan 16 2018, 10:23 AM
Add me in as a backup please.

I can move to playing if necessary.

Posted by: Yuli Jan 16 2018, 11:23 AM
Current roster:
1. sparrowhawk - con
2. Machina - con
3. golfjunkie - abstains
4. Hachi - con
5. Majeswandar - abstain
6.
7. plasmid - pro
8. Boquise - abstain
9. Onetruth
10. Okosan - abstain
11. Marq
12. Bob (aka Barc)
13. maurice - abstains
14.
15. Insaner - Con
16. Hirkala - Con
17. Yuli - con

Backup
1. The Frammster

Posted by: Majeswandar Jan 16 2018, 12:27 PM
I personally have mixed feelings about using code in this game, it fits the theme of the book well but it would also be a pain... and since I'm on a phone I am going to go con so that it's easier for me lol

Posted by: Hachi Jan 16 2018, 03:19 PM
Current roster:
1. sparrowhawk - con
2. Machina - con
3. golfjunkie - abstains
4. Hachi - con
5. Majeswandar - con
6.
7. plasmid - pro
8. Boquise - abstain
9. Onetruth
10. Okosan - abstain
11. Marq
12. Bob (aka Barc)
13. maurice - abstains
14.
15. Insaner - Con
16. Hirkala - Con
17. Yuli - con

Backup
1. The Frammster

Posted by: Framm Jan 18 2018, 11:20 PM
Current roster:
1. sparrowhawk - con
2. Machina - con
3. golfjunkie - abstains
4. Hachi - con
5. Majeswandar - con
6.
7. plasmid - pro
8. Boquise - abstain
9. Onetruth
10. Okosan - abstain
11. Marq
12. Bob (aka Barc)
13. maurice - abstains
14. Frammster http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/mfi.gif - Con
15. Insaner - Con
16. Hirkala - Con
17. Yuli - con

Backup
1.

http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/evillaugh.gif No http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/headbang.gif codes for me please...

Posted by: maurice Jan 19 2018, 04:42 PM
QUOTE (Framm @ Jan 18 2018, 09:20 PM)
Current roster:
1. sparrowhawk - con
2. Machina - con
3. golfjunkie - abstains
4. Hachi - con
5. Majeswandar - con
6.
7. plasmid - pro
8. Boquise - abstain
9. Onetruth
10. Okosan - abstain
11. Marq
12. Bob (aka Barc)
13. maurice - abstains
14. Frammster http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/mfi.gif - Con
15. Insaner - Con
16. Hirkala - Con
17. Yuli - con

Backup
1.

http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/evillaugh.gif No http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/headbang.gif codes for me please...


One more...

Takari
yuiop
Nana7
GM_Admin
Jay Gold
aura
dee


Posted by: Yuli Jan 19 2018, 04:46 PM
aura isn't on the roster?

She's probably too busy hanging out with her friends in Weezer.

Posted by: GM_Admin Jan 19 2018, 05:16 PM
[QUOTE=maurice,Jan 19 2018, 03:42 PM][QUOTE=Framm,Jan 18 2018, 09:20 PM]Current roster:
1. sparrowhawk - con
2. Machina - con
3. golfjunkie - abstains
4. Hachi - con
5. Majeswandar - con
6. GMaster479 - con
7. plasmid - pro
8. Boquise - abstain
9. Onetruth
10. Okosan - abstain
11. Marq
12. Bob (aka Barc)
13. maurice - abstains
14. Frammster http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/mfi.gif - Con
15. Insaner - Con
16. Hirkala - Con
17. Yuli - con

Backup
1.

Done. Throw me in as a backup if someone else really wants to play but I am ready.

Posted by: maurice Jan 19 2018, 05:39 PM
araver


Posted by: onetruth Jan 19 2018, 07:18 PM
Oh man, now I have to read all the words. Better get some coffee...(aka beer).

Current roster:
1. sparrowhawk - con
2. Machina - con
3. golfjunkie - abstains
4. Hachi - con
5. Majeswandar - con
6. GMaster479 - con
7. plasmid - pro
8. Boquise - abstain
9. onetruth - pro
10. Okosan - abstain
11. Marq
12. Bob (aka Barc)
13. maurice - abstains
14. Frammster http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/mfi.gif - Con
15. Insaner - Con
16. Hirkala - Con
17. Yuli - con

Backup
1.

Posted by: Yuli Jan 19 2018, 09:10 PM
Before maurice can post it:

Posted by: maurice Jan 19 2018, 09:17 PM
QUOTE (Yuli @ Jan 19 2018, 07:10 PM)
Before maurice can post it:



Don't think I haven't been humming that for two weeks or so. I chose instead to commemorate the game via my avatar

Posted by: araver Jan 20 2018, 06:14 PM
Sorry about the delay. The last days are a blur but I'm back to wifi and stable.

Gonna give it a go and start sending PMs soon, leaving enough room for N1 banter, questions (and me travelling back).

Posted by: Zaphod Jan 21 2018, 12:23 AM
Current roster:
1. sparrowhawk - con
2. Machina - con
3. golfjunkie - abstains
4. Hachi - con
5. Majeswandar - con
6. GMaster479 - con
7. plasmid - pro
8. Boquise - abstain
9. onetruth - pro
10. Okosan - abstain
11. Marq
12. Bob (aka Barc)
13. maurice - abstains
14. Frammster http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/mfi.gif - Con
15. Insaner - Con
16. Hirkala - Con
17. Yuli - con

Backup
1. Izzy (but only if someone leaves before N2).

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