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 US vs World Politics, etc., Started off btw. Shad and Aura
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  Posted Aug 1 2011, 12:45 AM
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Aura: But do you feel like you're unlucky?

Shad: In some ways (stupid politicians) yes, but looking @wealth, standard of living, etc. compared to like El Salvador, no
Shad: so it could be better, but it could also be far worse

Aura: and what about homeless people? and guns? And health care?
Aura: and hardly any welfare?

Shad: http://www.mafiamaniac.net/img/Smilies/shrug.gif for a wealthy/1st world country, I do feel unlucky
Shad:but comparing even the US to 3rd world countries, I feel extremely lucky--I get an education, I have a place to sleep every night, I don't live in constant fear of government-sanctioned killing. I know you live in Australia; have you ever been to a 3rd world country, even for just a week? What we in the US think of as poor are far better off than many people in such places. The homes we built in El Salvador are smaller than my dorm room and house an entire family--the families were incredibly glad for even this small space. We can't drink their water--it contains bacteria 1st-World stomachs have no immunity to. But they grow up drinking dirty water. So yeah, I kinda feel lucky to live in the US, compared to a 3rd world country. But within the 1st world, I'd rather not be in the US.
Shad: Have you ever been to a 3rd world country?
Shad: b/c it really puts 1st-world poverty in perspective

Aura:Yes. I totally agree. The US has way good living conditions. My main point was in comparison to Australia, it really sucks. Because of the politics here being different, so when I see how many homeless pppl you have and the lack of accessible healthcare, while in Autsrlia, we have free healthcare and welfare for the unemployed, and we don't suffer monetarily for it. So therefore, it is just BS all the excuse politicians use, like that ot would cost too much etc. I just think the US cares more about big business, and ppl who are doing well than for the little guy.

Shad: lol agreed, w/in the 1st world, the US sucks
Shad:but it's still 1st world, y'know

Aura:Yeah, I wouldn't compare US to 3rd world. There's no comparison there!

Shad: have you paid attention at all to the US debate over raising the debt ceiling?

Aura: Like, in US, people end up paying off a healthcare debt for like 20 years!!!

Shad: so, it's a dilemna, b/c you asked the open-ended question "do you feel unlucky?"

Aura: No, explain pls.

Shad: so it's a complicated answer

Aura: Yeah, I was just being facetious.

Shad: so, I think it's global knowledge that the US govt is ridiculously much in debt?

And this is where I pick up/continue my debt discussion explanation with her.

Basically, the US has a self-imposed "debt ceiling", a limit on the amount they can borrow. Well, within the next couple weeks, the US reaches that limit. In the past, the govt has raised the ceiling with nary a hitch. But this time, and earlier this year, last time they raised the the debt ceiling, it became opportunity for a lot of posturing by the newly-formed Tea Party, who are kind of like libertarians, except they still want all the benefits of government, just without the taxes. Except somehow, also without debt. Yeah, I don't get their logic.
Anyways, the Republicans don't want to raise the debt ceiling b/c that would make the Democrat president look good. But they need to, or their constituents will hate them. So, they're all posturing, and fighting, and claiming that they can't/won't change their positions one iota, until the last minute. Almost literally. I was reminded of this by Aura's statement about the BS that is US politics. Feel free to continue from any perspective/sub-topic.



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  Posted Aug 1 2011, 07:22 AM
Well, first off, you have fallen into the media's idea of the Tea Party. Tea Partiers want WAY LESS government intervention. Pretty much want the government to stay out of their lives. What benefits are you describing? Cause I align myself with the Tea Party and I can't think of one "government" benefit that I want...

Social Security is dumb since our moronic government wasted all of it.
Welfare is abused and used for the stupidest things.
Public Education SUCKS and I want to send my (future) children to private schools.


The problem with the debt ceiling being raised is that they have to raise the debt ceiling! When does it end? How high will they go? If I had a credit card and kept ringing up charges on it, eventually the CC company is gonna shut me down. But say it works like the US government... I keep calling them and telling them that I need them to raise my limit, so that I can spend more money. They keep raising it, so I keep spending... Now I'm worse off. That didn't help. And now, I have to work harder and longer to pay that back. Smart thinking on my part, eh?

Yes, our credit rating will take a hit. Yes, the value of the dollar will drop. Yes, it will be kind of crappy with the massive debt we've accrued. But, for the love of God, we have GOT to stop spending money that we don't have.

And here is the kicker. The part that galls me and I don't think most people think about. The U.S. government DOES NOT HAVE AN INCOME!!! This is taxpayer money. OUR money. And they are throwing it away. Take a look at the U.S. budget some time. It will make you vomit. Or at least it should.

When it comes to other nations and their opinion of us... Honestly, and I'm sorry to our members here that may find this offensive, but I don't give a damn what they think of this nation. This is the most charitable nation on the planet, hands-down. But, because it's not directly helping them, they find us arrogant and selfish?!? Screw those people. First and foremost, PEOPLE will do more for other people than any government. That's been proven time and time again. But, when we are talking about nations, America is a giving nation. And for the most part, what is given is far more than other nations in the world.

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  Posted Aug 1 2011, 09:16 AM
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When it comes to other nations and their opinion of us...  Honestly, and I'm sorry to our members here that may find this offensive, but I don't give a damn what they think of this nation.  This is the most charitable nation on the planet, hands-down.  But, because it's not directly helping them, they find us arrogant and selfish?!?  ohmy.gif Who said that? ! Where?! Screw those people. Glad you're not arrogant First and foremost, PEOPLE will do more for other people than any government.  That's been proven time and time again.  But, when we are talking about nations, America is a giving nation.  And for the most part, what is given is far more than other nations in the world. No-one ever doubted that, but money doesn't mean everything. Also, charity begins at home.  Perhaps they should focus on the people living in cardboard boxes in the middle of The Greatest Country On Earth™.

Yes, this is a dangerous topic.  Yes, I've probably pissed some people off by saying this - non-Americans and, sadly, Americans - but everyone here should understand...  I BELIEVE in American exceptionalism.  I believe that this is the greatest nation the world has ever seen.  And that is the kind of attitude that gives off this so called "arrogant" impression to the rest of the world.   But, at the same time, I am absolutely terrified that we are losing that which has made us great.

I think America is a great country. I really do. What I don't understand is how stuck in their ways a lot of your politicians are. The very things that work in Australia, and make our country so "lucky" and liveable are being http://www.mafiamaniac.net/img/Smilies/thumbsdown.gif ed that the consequences would be disastrous.

I guess it is a difference in general politics between countries. Because the U.S is more "Every Man for Himself." If you are down on your luck, it's because you didn't work hard enough and you aren't deserving enough. Big business rules. Money can't be "wasted" on fixing the health system or welfare, but it can be wasted on many other things that help the Big Guys™. And there's nothing wrong with being patriotic, but the U.S media gives off a distinct impression to non-U.Sers of a superiority complex.

The people themselves are great, but the politicians and media just seem a bit screwed.


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  Posted Aug 1 2011, 10:31 AM
won't tear into your argument Aura, because its good to see what others think of us. It is beneficial and we shouldn't just thumb our noses at it.

But your perceptions as an outsider do not entirely "jive" (stuck in our ways...pfft) with my perception as an insider.

The problem Hirk has is that the US is not every man for himself. SS, welfare etc. We do not have an alarming homeless rate. What you see from the us media is a result of how our international reputation has deteriorated.

And btw, after reading Hirk's post, Shadow's shout is even more hilarious to me

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  Posted Aug 1 2011, 10:54 AM
First of all: I didn't set out any "argument". I thought that was a pretty balanced view tongue.gif That's just the way the US is portrayed in the US media (not our media, mind you.)

The thing is, the US does have a s***load of people in jails, and living rough. I never said there were millions and billions of them.

What I am saying is there are differences between the politics of Australia and the U.S and that affects the perceptions of people. So when I hear people complaing about Obamacare like http://www.mafiamaniac.net/img/Smilies/frantic.gif and how it's going to turn the US http://www.mafiamaniac.net/img/Smilies/suicide.gif , I'm like "what a beat up."

I've grown up in a country where if you need to go to the doctor, you do. Free, no waiting list. You don't pay off an ER visit for however long. You don't have to worry that if you lose your job, your health insurance is gone etc. What about the people who can't get health insurance, ever? That's an f-ed up situation.

But that's just a minor point that I am highlighting. I'm talking purely politics, here. In pretty much every other way, I'd say the US is a fantastic place to live.

Actually, I would like to hear you "tear into my argument". I'm a pretty open minded person, you know. If you are willing to explain how it is, I am willing to listen. http://www.mafiamaniac.net/img/Smilies/shrug.gif


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  Posted Aug 1 2011, 11:09 AM
I won't tear into it because I needn't.

Here's my thing about how so many here have no health care.

My father-in-law is a legal alien resident. He doesn't work, he doesn't have insurance, he certainly doesn't have oodles of money saved up.

He got cancer man, 7 years ago http://www.mafiamaniac.net/img/Smilies/hmm.gif And he basically went to the county hospital and has gotten better. No huge medical bills hanging over him. So this perception both from inside and outside the US that we don't take care of our sick...I just don't get it.

Another thing. I have argued against the Iraq War for many years and for many reasons. One argument I have heard is we should bring democracy to Iraq...but what if Iraq doesn't want democracy and what if they aren't ready for it. Democracy wasn't thrust onthe US, it was an internal struggle. I just think from a cultural standpoint, democracy can't survive much less thrive in Iraq. So we are wasting resources trying to force it.

Well for Canadians and Australians and Europeans to say, hey, Socialized Healthcare and whatnot works here. Sh'mon US you can make it work there is somewhat arrogant on their part. You do not then understand that we are not in a place for that to happen. Much of that is due to the way health insurance evolved in the US (as a benefit offered by companies, mainly to draw in the best workers) To say hey its easy to make the needed changes ignores the infrastructural changes that would need to occur.

And for the record, I am philosophically very much for socialism. As a practice in these United States, with our culture and with our 45 year fight against Communism, it is not the environment. Socialism is such a dirty, if not misunderstood, word here. And with good reason.


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See, that's what I'm saying: the U.S is just so different politically from Australia that you can't compare it the same as you would compare e.g - 2 political parties. As it is more than that.

I kinda wish this "arrogant" word didn't start getting thrown around in this thread cos I think it's featured in at least 3/4 of the posts. I don't think US should go out and get socialised health care. It's not that easy. What I am talking about is the attitude of people going all http://www.mafiamaniac.net/img/Smilies/frantic.gif about it and how it's a terrible policy etc. with all these downfalls, when it's merely different from what they're used to.

I am interested to hear that experience re county hospital, as I have many healthcare professional friends and patients from the US on another site I am an active member of, and I heard much different experiences. Like I said, I'm always willing to learn more about something I don't know.

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  Posted Aug 1 2011, 08:33 PM
Aura, they're going :panic: and its horrible because for our current situation, it probably is. They are not making judgements on it in a vaccuum nor for others because they don't care...and I won't use the word that accurately describes why they don't tongue.gif


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Aura, they're going :panic: and its horrible because for our current situation, it probably is.  They are not making judgements on it in a vaccuum nor for others because they don't care...and I won't use the word that accurately describes why they don't tongue.gif

Did you read what I just wrote? I said it's not a bad policy in itself but not suitable for the US due to the different political makeup (and history) of the country compared to Australia.

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Way to repeat what I just said while making it seem as if you're disagreeing http://www.mafiamaniac.net/img/Smilies/wacko.gif

Your patriotism is preventing you from actually listening to my words.

And I wish you would add something useful to the conversation instead of "you don't know s*** about the US." =P

All Americans are always completely defensive whenEVER they talk politics, every single time! Is that enough of a generalisation for you? FYI, kidding tongue.gif

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Wow! Way to be hypocritical yourself dry.gif

I wasn't talking about the usefullness of socialized healthcare in the us. I saw we agree. See that bolded part in your quote. Just below that is what I was referencing. Why Americans talk about it like its bad. They don't grasp, I think, why its bad...socialism is just a dirty word here. So its just bad. We don't ignore the successes in other countries because we realize its a different culture, we just do because in that regard we can be arrogant.

So where I'd hope that we could eventually develop an environment more conducive to socialistic principles, I fear we have an extra layer to overcome.


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Whoa... Name a country where socialism has worked...

It's great on paper. In practicality, not so much...


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Hirk, agreed.

I said Philosophically I'm a Socialist. Problem is we get humans involved and things get screwed up.



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I completely agree. I think it is great in small situations among responsible individuals, but when it comes to the masses, you get Greece...


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I completely agree.  I think it is great in small situations among responsible individuals, but when it comes to the masses, you get Greece...


ohmy.gif the Debauchery, you mean?

http://www.mafiamaniac.net/img/Smilies/facepalm.gif prolly not talking ancient greece are you?


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