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  Posted Feb 19 2015, 07:17 PM
I was wondering about games in which there are no spies - or at the very least no role spies. Is this at all doable? It seems that it would encourage a lot more conversation in the thread, but would also necessitate kills being evenly distributed. How about spy-less faction games (with BTSC for each faction? The fact that Coolkid's Grand Magic Battle also had a spy for each faction makes me think that no spies in the game alters how the game is played rather drastically. Any chance I can get some input?

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  Posted Feb 19 2015, 10:47 PM
Slick's Kitchen Mafia 2 was a faction game with no spies.

In Grand Magic Games Battle the roles and abilities were designed with the general game dynamic in mind, the leader was given the specific choice between attacking or spying, that is, attempting to gain points and gaining information http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/hm.gif

There most likely have been games with no role spies, albeit none come immediately to mind, or games with roles spies but it was not known which roles were good or bad. I see no inherent problem with having no role spies http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/shrug.gif Most mafia-style games have a good deal of conversation already and I do not believe it would effect the game too much in that regard.

I do not really quite understand the "would also necessitate kills being evenly distributed" part. If you mean the baddies would not try to kill the role spy first and foremost, it would only remove a role from the ladder rather than flatten it. Baddies would still want some roles dead more than others, such as kills, saves, and whatnot. http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/shrug.gif


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  Posted Feb 19 2015, 10:58 PM
No, I meant more along the lines that if the goodies can not be as informed as they are if there were to have access to a spy, I would think it might necessitate a more aggressive play style from the goodies to make sure they don't just get picked off one by one, and as such, (at least) as many killing roles as the baddies. Thanks for the input, as well as for the mention of Slick's Kitchen Mafia - will definitely have to take a look at that one then. =)
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  Posted Feb 19 2015, 11:06 PM
Homestuck mafia didn't have any spies, and the goodies got demolished. And Frozen Mafia I had the goodie spy killed N1 with no other spy roles left but the goodies won. So it can be done. There are a lot of factors to take into account in game design and being without spies might make it tougher to estimate how balanced a game is since it's unusual, but if you really wanted to design a game without spies you could certainly put one together for people to look over and give input.

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  Posted Feb 19 2015, 11:20 PM
I see what you mean, Pardona http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/smile.gif Double Agent Mafia had a similar dynamic to that which you mention albeit having the opposite design http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/lol.gif

In DAM, every player's role was known, with two of each role, however which players were bad and which good was not known. The goodie spy was killied n1 leaving only a baddie spy and hence the goodies with no credible information. It was very difficult, particularly in the beginning, and certainly did feel as we were "getting picked off one by one" until the baddies made a move that was suspicious enough for one of them to be lynched. However, I do not believe the play-style was notably more or less aggressive than in any other mafia game. http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/shrug.gif



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  Posted Jun 4 2016, 05:23 PM
QUOTE (Pardona @ Feb 20 2015, 12:17 AM)
I was wondering about games in which there are no spies - or at the very least no role spies. Is this at all doable? It seems that it would encourage a lot more conversation in the thread, but would also necessitate kills being evenly distributed. How about spy-less faction games (with BTSC for each faction? The fact that Coolkid's Grand Magic Battle also had a spy for each faction makes me think that no spies in the game alters how the game is played rather drastically. Any chance I can get some input?

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  Posted Jun 4 2016, 05:36 PM
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QUOTE (Pardona @ Feb 20 2015, 12:17 AM)
I was wondering about games in which there are no spies - or at the very least no role spies. Is this at all doable? It seems that it would encourage a lot more conversation in the thread, but would also necessitate kills being evenly distributed. How about spy-less faction games (with BTSC for each faction? The fact that Coolkid's Grand Magic Battle also had a spy for each faction makes me think that no spies in the game alters how the game is played rather drastically. Any chance I can get some input?

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Unfamiliar with this sites version of spy. What is it?

One thing about this site is there is no one size fits all...we encourage customizeable games by hosts.

In general a spy is a role spy. I target Machine, I'm told he is Role X. But we also use action spies (ie Machine blocked someone, though this type is rare), target spies (ie Machine targeted mo), faction spies (Machine is baddie) and really anything the host can conjure up.



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  Posted Jun 5 2016, 02:10 AM
QUOTE (maurice @ Jun 5 2016, 08:06 AM)
QUOTE (The_Machine_5000 @ Jun 4 2016, 05:23 PM)
QUOTE (Pardona @ Feb 20 2015, 12:17 AM)
I was wondering about games in which there are no spies - or at the very least no role spies. Is this at all doable? It seems that it would encourage a lot more conversation in the thread, but would also necessitate kills being evenly distributed. How about spy-less faction games (with BTSC for each faction? The fact that Coolkid's Grand Magic Battle also had a spy for each faction makes me think that no spies in the game alters how the game is played rather drastically. Any chance I can get some input?

TIA

Unfamiliar with this sites version of spy. What is it?

One thing about this site is there is no one size fits all...we encourage customizeable games by hosts.

In general a spy is a role spy. I target Machine, I'm told he is Role X. But we also use action spies (ie Machine blocked someone, though this type is rare), target spies (ie Machine targeted mo), faction spies (Machine is baddie) and really anything the host can conjure up.

Who got spied; mo or machine? Spying machine's target would be a follow spy. Spying mo to see who targets him, well I reckon I've called that a target spy in my games. But I get the feeling target spy has been used for both of those types before.


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  Posted Jun 5 2016, 02:20 AM
QUOTE (Aura_mod @ Jun 5 2016, 02:10 AM)
QUOTE (maurice @ Jun 5 2016, 08:06 AM)
QUOTE (The_Machine_5000 @ Jun 4 2016, 05:23 PM)
QUOTE (Pardona @ Feb 20 2015, 12:17 AM)
I was wondering about games in which there are no spies - or at the very least no role spies. Is this at all doable? It seems that it would encourage a lot more conversation in the thread, but would also necessitate kills being evenly distributed. How about spy-less faction games (with BTSC for each faction? The fact that Coolkid's Grand Magic Battle also had a spy for each faction makes me think that no spies in the game alters how the game is played rather drastically. Any chance I can get some input?

TIA

Unfamiliar with this sites version of spy. What is it?

One thing about this site is there is no one size fits all...we encourage customizeable games by hosts.

In general a spy is a role spy. I target Machine, I'm told he is Role X. But we also use action spies (ie Machine blocked someone, though this type is rare), target spies (ie Machine targeted mo), faction spies (Machine is baddie) and really anything the host can conjure up.

Who got spied; mo or machine? Spying machine's target would be a follow spy. Spying mo to see who targets him, well I reckon I've called that a target spy in my games. But I get the feeling target spy has been used for both of those types before.


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  Posted Jun 5 2016, 09:15 AM
QUOTE (maurice @ Jun 5 2016, 04:50 PM)
QUOTE (Aura_mod @ Jun 5 2016, 02:10 AM)
QUOTE (maurice @ Jun 5 2016, 08:06 AM)
QUOTE (The_Machine_5000 @ Jun 4 2016, 05:23 PM)
QUOTE (Pardona @ Feb 20 2015, 12:17 AM)
I was wondering about games in which there are no spies - or at the very least no role spies. Is this at all doable? It seems that it would encourage a lot more conversation in the thread, but would also necessitate kills being evenly distributed. How about spy-less faction games (with BTSC for each faction? The fact that Coolkid's Grand Magic Battle also had a spy for each faction makes me think that no spies in the game alters how the game is played rather drastically. Any chance I can get some input?

TIA

Unfamiliar with this sites version of spy. What is it?

One thing about this site is there is no one size fits all...we encourage customizeable games by hosts.

In general a spy is a role spy. I target Machine, I'm told he is Role X. But we also use action spies (ie Machine blocked someone, though this type is rare), target spies (ie Machine targeted mo), faction spies (Machine is baddie) and really anything the host can conjure up.

Who got spied; mo or machine? Spying machine's target would be a follow spy. Spying mo to see who targets him, well I reckon I've called that a target spy in my games. But I get the feeling target spy has been used for both of those types before.


Does my response even matter, since evidently I have no clue how to report such things
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  Posted Jun 5 2016, 09:21 AM
I thought Target Spy was who the person you spied acted on and Follow Spy was who acted on the person you spied? Or am I just a very confused little host?


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  Posted Jun 5 2016, 09:58 AM
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I thought Target Spy was who the person you spied acted on and Follow Spy was who acted on the person you spied? Or am I just a very confused little host?


You are correct. I couldn't recall the term "follow" for some reason, and knew there was at least a 4th type. But I combined two types http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/ashamed.gif



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  Posted Jun 5 2016, 07:16 PM
QUOTE (maurice @ Jun 6 2016, 12:28 AM)
QUOTE (Vommack @ Jun 5 2016, 09:21 AM)
I thought Target Spy was who the person you spied acted on and Follow Spy was who acted on the person you spied? Or am I just a very confused little host?


You are correct. I couldn't recall the term "follow" for some reason, and knew there was at least a 4th type. But I combined two types http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/ashamed.gif

Nah, mo. I think you misread cos you know the answer to this one. http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/yes.gif

Vommack - If Jay follow spies ... FOR EXAMPLE... Nana, then he sees who nana acted on. If I was to target spy nana, I'd see Jay acting on her.


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