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  Posted Jan 26 2018, 06:20 AM
Merlin's Band:
* Merlin (100%) - (RID Kill) - plasmid
* Ghostwheel (50%) - (Faction Spy) or (Trap) - Marquessa


N2:
* plasmid - Merlin Now at 75% - RID kill maurice as Rinaldo -> failed. Gains BTSC with sparrow.
* sparrowhawk - Fiona - Follow spy maurice -> Maurice stayed home. Gains BTSC with plasmid.

New faction member:

* Fiona (50%) - Can eavesdrop on the Trumps each night - choose a person and is told who they targeted (Follow Spy) - sparrowhawk



BTSC created.


... A red bird of my desire came and sat upon my shoulder, and I wrote a note and tied it to its leg and sent it off into the west. It said, "I'll be back," and it was signed by me.
... I saw my earlier selves as different people, acquaintances I had outgrown. I wondered how I could ever have been some of them.
... *shrug* Good-bye and hello, as always.

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  Posted Jan 26 2018, 06:21 AM
plasmid, sparrowhawk - please let me know if you can see this BTSC.


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... I saw my earlier selves as different people, acquaintances I had outgrown. I wondered how I could ever have been some of them.
... *shrug* Good-bye and hello, as always.

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  Posted Jan 26 2018, 11:30 AM
Who do you think I ought to try recruiting N3, if anyone? So far there have been a total of five attempts counting you, so there should still be a fair number of potential recruits in play, but it's only worth risking death if we think I have a >25% chance at recruiting an unrecruited indy. The odds probably won't get any better as the game progresses and other recruits will likely happen, so if I try, the time is now.

For mo I thought he was more likely a faction member than indy because he initiated a courier sequence right out of the gate D1, and there's much more reason to coury if you're a faction member than an indy. Knowing that he stayed home makes him seem more likely to be either a faction member waiting for his partner (Yuli) to target him and establish BTSC, or indy.

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  Posted Jan 26 2018, 01:11 PM
Yeah, I picked him partly because he felt like a faction member, rather than Indy. I'm not sure what to make of him staying home yet.

OT getting trapped seems weird, unless she got trapped by her faction mate to gain BTSC.


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  Posted Jan 26 2018, 03:21 PM
So it's looking like mo, oko, yuli right now on one team. Do you want to try to make an alliance/nonaggression pact with them? They're trying to get organized, by the looks of it.

I'd like to try to continue posing as an Indy, but I sort of doubt people would believe that after you sent me the courier yesterday. That's likely because we're teammates looking to gain BTSC.


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  Posted Jan 26 2018, 11:12 PM
There's not much to be gained by playing indy IMO. The kills are RID kills, so if people think you're in a faction they're just going to miss anyway.

And we're at a disadvantage unless we can communicate with Marq and get faction spy info to guide our own RID kills. If either of us tries to courier her then it would be pretty clear that the three of us are in a faction. But it might be worth doing anyway.

Want me to coury Yuli and you coury Marq or something? (and if so, how would I reasonably propose a non-aggression pact without shooting ourselves in the foot if they're probably going to get faction spy results on us soon? self-spotlighting?) If not, do you think follow spying Marq N3 would be worthwhile?

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  Posted Jan 27 2018, 12:55 AM
QUOTE (plasmid @ Jan 26 2018, 07:12 PM)
There's not much to be gained by playing indy IMO. The kills are RID kills, so if people think you're in a faction they're just going to miss anyway.

And we're at a disadvantage unless we can communicate with Marq and get faction spy info to guide our own RID kills. If either of us tries to courier her then it would be pretty clear that the three of us are in a faction. But it might be worth doing anyway.

Want me to coury Yuli and you coury Marq or something? (and if so, how would I reasonably propose a non-aggression pact without shooting ourselves in the foot if they're probably going to get faction spy results on us soon? self-spotlighting?) If not, do you think follow spying Marq N3 would be worthwhile?

Mo and yuli didn't hesitate to advertise their alignments (with each other and oko). Without the faction spy, we are missing a lot of info. We can hope she thinks to trap you tomorrow like OT was today, or we can reach out and organize to guide our actions.

Sure you can message Yuli and I'll try to reach Marq. They can get our factions, but with 4 factions, we will need allies for some portion of the game if we want to make it to end game. At some point there will have to be backstabbing, but I think it's better to have mo and yuli on our side for the time being than as potential adversaries. And they would probably accept working with a plas, SH team too. Mo is already antagonizing Hachi.


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  Posted Jan 27 2018, 01:12 AM
QUOTE (sparrowhawk @ Jan 26 2018, 09:55 PM)
QUOTE (plasmid @ Jan 26 2018, 07:12 PM)
There's not much to be gained by playing indy IMO. The kills are RID kills, so if people think you're in a faction they're just going to miss anyway.

And we're at a disadvantage unless we can communicate with Marq and get faction spy info to guide our own RID kills. If either of us tries to courier her then it would be pretty clear that the three of us are in a faction. But it might be worth doing anyway.

Want me to coury Yuli and you coury Marq or something? (and if so, how would I reasonably propose a non-aggression pact without shooting ourselves in the foot if they're probably going to get faction spy results on us soon? self-spotlighting?) If not, do you think follow spying Marq N3 would be worthwhile?

Mo and yuli didn't hesitate to advertise their alignments (with each other and oko). Without the faction spy, we are missing a lot of info. We can hope she thinks to trap you tomorrow like OT was today, or we can reach out and organize to guide our actions.

Sure you can message Yuli and I'll try to reach Marq. They can get our factions, but with 4 factions, we will need allies for some portion of the game if we want to make it to end game. At some point there will have to be backstabbing, but I think it's better to have mo and yuli on our side for the time being than as potential adversaries. And they would probably accept working with a plas, SH team too. Mo is already antagonizing Hachi.

So just tell Yuli "SH and I propose a non-aggression pact, what say ye?" without any real way of enforcing or monitoring it? I agree in principle it's good to have non-aggression pacts, but I don't see how to make it work in practice.

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  Posted Jan 27 2018, 01:46 AM
Sharing spy results would be fine and good, but if they know we don't have BTSC with our faction spyer yet and they can faction spy us to see what color we are, then Marq would become a sitting duck.

So if I can't come up with a good way of establishing an alliance then maybe I'll just courier Yuli a funny lolcat gif or smth.
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  Posted Jan 27 2018, 02:38 AM
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FREEZE: Target is blocked for the night. This prevents responding to couriers and acts as a trap for the night.

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Trap acts as a block against the target's actions AND all actions against the target (except a trap). Basically a form of invulnerability. Does not prevent the target from recruiting or being recruited since that already happened.

So traps don't block recruitment and freeze acts like a trap. Does that mean that a freeze sequence doesn't block recruitment? Or is it special since it was initiated in the day?


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  Posted Jan 27 2018, 05:35 AM
QUOTE (sparrowhawk @ Jan 27 2018, 08:38 AM)
araver:
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FREEZE: Target is blocked for the night. This prevents responding to couriers and acts as a trap for the night.

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Trap acts as a block against the target's actions AND all actions against the target (except a trap). Basically a form of invulnerability. Does not prevent the target from recruiting or being recruited since that already happened.

So traps don't block recruitment and freeze acts like a trap. Does that mean that a freeze sequence doesn't block recruitment? Or is it special since it was initiated in the day?

Not special - freeze = trap. It jumps the "chronological" analogy (being initiated in the day) and happens when traps would happen during the night.

Analogy. Assume X is Frozen or X is trapped by Y. OOA says Recruit >> trap (chronological = >>).
* At 1AM, Recruiting happens. So X can be recruited or X can go and recruit someone.
* Freeze acts like a trap making the target (X) stay at home at 2 AM and raising shields till the night ends effectively isolating X from the universe. At 1AM recruits already happened before the freeze/trap curfew, so X cannot be blocked from recruiting or being recruited since that already happened.
* The only persons X can meet during the night are:
** Z if X was recruited by Z OR recruits Z at 1 AM (and Z stays at home)
** Y if X was frozen by Y (same as if X was trapped by Y).

EDIT: changed Z and Y for clarity.

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  Posted Jan 27 2018, 11:42 AM
If I don't hear anything better I'm just gonna coury Yuli this:

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Now if you want you can post in the main thread that I couriered you that lolcat pic and you're not quite sure whether I just thought it was funny or if I'm trying to imply something sinister.

Aside from that, would you like a non-aggression pact while we focus on murdering everyone else? With or without sharing spy info?
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  Posted Jan 27 2018, 04:08 PM
Sure, that seems OK. http://mafiamaniac.org/smile/tongue.gif

As for a message to marq, how about:

Fiona here. Merlin (plasmid) recruited me N1 and we met at mo's N2. In your response, can you pass along what info you've gathered and give us a target for meeting up N3? We would prefer Yuli or okosan, but if you've already spied them, feel free to pick someone else.


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  Posted Jan 27 2018, 04:59 PM
Sure, and we might as well say our own actions and results while we're at it (n1 recruit, n2 rid on mo as rinaldo failed).

You got the easy one =p

Anyone you think I ought to try to recruit n3?

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  Posted Jan 27 2018, 09:42 PM
GM and Boq are the only two players in the game at this point that haven't either sent or received couriers. So if one is to bet on an indy, one of those two is one to bet by one.

plasmid walk the plank pattern at Boquise
SH spy whoever Marq says she'll act on

araver Are we allowed to powerplay in BTSC or is that not allowed because of SH's secret betrayal wincon?
Maybe I should make SH powerplay my action just to be sure he doesn't have betrayal, and thus need to be prevented from powerplaying me to RID kill myself.
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